Interesting new tablet

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by stuckless

I'd love to see the article.

here is the link

It is more talking about the "possible" security flaws that can/will take place in a open environment like droid. I agree it will be more vulnerable but the iphone won't be immune either. I don't think it will take 2 to 3 years for the issue to become widespread. I also agree that it is up to the network to provide the security. I don't allow any unauthorized wifi connections and the ones I do allow are short circuited right now to WAN access only and no access to the LAN network. This is a short term approach but works for us right how.

Originally Posted by stuckless

Fortunately for me... i buy products based on their value not on their brand So, if motorola makes a cool tablet at a good value, then I'll probably grab one.

Yeah I guess I had to many of their "crap" phones in the past errr. I do remember using their dialup modems long ago. Will be interesting to play with on and see the build quality. The RIM looks nice as well but geared a bit more away from what I want.

Originally Posted by stuckless

Windows tablets have some appeal, but I'm not sure that will unfold. I've never seen Windows7 on a tablet, so I have no idea how that would perform... and how it would perform with a real time virus scanner running. If a PC is any indication.. then it doesn't look promising

I was more hoping for a tablet driven o/s or w7 phone spinoff os. To me full blown windows on a tablet isn't very functional.

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

here is the link

It is more talking about the "possible" security flaws that can/will take place in a open environment like droid.

Ah, I see... another FUD article about how open source code/platforms is riddled with security flaws. Don't get wrong... Android will see 'trojans' and viruses. But I tend to disregard the FUD until it really happens... And I mean it happens without the user's knowledge. If you download an app that asks for permissions to send/receive sms messages, but it's just a wallpaper app?? You almost deserve what comes next.

Android despite it being open, is probably more secure than iOS. It's certainly alot more transparent. ie, I know when I install an app what it is will access. I'm afraid to install any apps on my ipad, since I have no idea what personal information they are going to steal. And given that Apple has a class action suit against it for allowing apps to steal your private data, I'm not really convinced it's that much more secure than Android.

If I install a free game on the iphone and it steals my contact information, as most do... how is that good? Isn't that the very definition of a trojan, yet, for some reason, people on the iphone feel that is normal and good?

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by stuckless

If I install a free game on the iphone and it steals my contact information, as most do... how is that good? Isn't that the very definition of a trojan, yet, for some reason, people on the iphone feel that is normal and good?

Oh I agree but if you think Google isn't sharing your information all I can do is laugh. Gmail, Google search all things related to google are well known to information sharing. Hell google can read any of your gmail it pleases or do anything with it even the corporate accounts that are paid for have that in the contract. Don't get me wrong I am not one that blindly believes that iphone is secure and doesn't share, but I anymore I don't think anything is android included. You say the phone "tells" you what it is going to do but if a trojan or such exist in the said software then it isn't going to tell you anything. Sorry I don't buy anything is secure or doesn't share information equally google and apple.

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Oh I agree but if you think Google isn't sharing your information all I can do is laugh. Gmail, Google search all things related to google are well known to information sharing. Hell google can read any of your gmail it pleases or do anything with it even the corporate accounts that are paid for have that in the contract. Don't get me wrong I am not one that blindly believes that iphone is secure and doesn't share, but I anymore I don't think anything is android included. You say the phone "tells" you what it is going to do but if a trojan or such exist in the said software then it isn't going to tell you anything. Sorry I don't buy anything is secure or doesn't share information equally google and apple.

I'm not talking about google sharing my information. When I bought a google device I drank the google koolaid that pretty much gives them access to all my information, and the right to use it. The same goes for Apple. You failed to miss the point that when I install a 3rd party app on the phone though, it does not get access to read all my personal information, and I get notified before I install the app, of it's intentions. I went to install the ZXing Barcode Scanner on my phone, and it's asking for "Your personal information: Read Contact data, Write Contact data, Read browser history and Bookmarks". I didn't install the application. On iOS, you get the option to allow an application to read your personal data... it just does. So, I'm not talking about google and apple abusing your data, we all know they are doing it... I'm talking about some random game or app, etc.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by stuckless

I'm not talking about google sharing my information. When I bought a google device I drank the google koolaid that pretty much gives them access to all my information, and the right to use it. The same goes for Apple. You failed to miss the point that when I install a 3rd party app on the phone though, it does not get access to read all my personal information, and I get notified before I install the app, of it's intentions. I went to install the ZXing Barcode Scanner on my phone, and it's asking for "Your personal information: Read Contact data, Write Contact data, Read browser history and Bookmarks". I didn't install the application. On iOS, you get the option to allow an application to read your personal data... it just does. So, I'm not talking about google and apple abusing your data, we all know they are doing it... I'm talking about some random game or app, etc.

Okay gotcha and agreed. Except I still say google apps can bypass with a trojan of some sorts the phone actually telling you what it is doing.

I got to the point now my thought process if people want my information badly enough no matter what I do they can get it. I use to stress about it until I realized this is nothing really I can do about it. If you are connected to the internet in some form or fashion it is a free for all more or less.

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Okay gotcha and agreed. Except I still say google apps can bypass with a trojan of some sorts the phone actually telling you what it is doing.

Sure, in theory that's possible. There will always be security issues in both android and ios... so your thoughts, are, well, given that's the case, it's better to have no security at all??

I got to the point now my thought process if people want my information badly enough no matter what I do they can get it. I use to stress about it until I realized this is nothing really I can do about it. If you are connected to the internet in some form or fashion it is a free for all more or less.

That's quite sad, really. I assume you don't bank online, buy online, etc. Just because I do that online, I don't assume that the information is free for all for everyone

[sic0048]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

I was disappointed in the lack of windows tablets. I really excepted stupidly and blindly for windows to step up to the plate. WTF was I thinking they stop being bleeding edge years ago and now play in the background.

Since when did Microsoft manufacture/brand any hardware (with the exception of the XBox)? If you are disappointed at the lack of Windows tablets, blame the manufactures.

But honestly I cannot really blame them either. They all tried a couple years ago with different tablet designs and all failed miserably. The Samsung Q1 series was probably the most successful, and it never really caught on.

Apple certainly wasn't the first to try the tablet design, they were just the ones that made it mainstream. While I hate Apple for a number of reasons, I have to give them credit for taking more than their fair share of products and making them mainstream.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by sic0048

Since when did Microsoft manufacture/brand any hardware (with the exception of the XBox)? If you are disappointed at the lack of Windows tablets, blame the manufactures.
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Um it is up to microsoft to provide the UI/OS.....Never meant MS would be showing of a tablet more showing off someone's tablet with their tablet o/s.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by stuckless

Sure, in theory that's possible. There will always be security issues in both android and ios... so your thoughts, are, well, given that's the case, it's better to have no security at all??

No not saying that just saying either way is a false sense of security.

Originally Posted by stuckless

That's quite sad, really. I assume you don't bank online, buy online, etc. Just because I do that online, I don't assume that the information is free for all for everyone

I do all of the above. If someone wants that information bad enough they can get it is my point. I do high level security but nothing is fail prove and more and more companies share so much of your information now adays anything is easily withing grasp. Case and point my wife works in the banking industries and see's daily peoples account numbers being stolen from online databases or purchases they made. Just saying if people want it they can get it.

[dravenone]

Really. Let's look at this compared to the desktop. If what you are saying is true... People today, when they go an buy a desktop are so hugely confused that they just go ahead an buy a Mac. I guess MS is dead... by all this "confusion" around desktops as well.

The funny thing is when it comes to PC's the reverse is true. MS is the dominant OS and that's what consumers are accustomed to and buy, even with all the malware, virus, bsod goodness that can come with it. Apple computers I suspect will pick up market share in the coming years as people gain comfort with them because of the iPad and iPod. The tighter Apple integrates the OS's the easier and more comfortable the transition will be for users, then all they have to do is get over the price.

Windows tablets have some appeal, but I'm not sure that will unfold. I've never seen Windows7 on a tablet, so I have no idea how that would perform... and how it would perform with a real time virus scanner running. If a PC is any indication.. then it doesn't look promising

Motion Computing has the CL900 running the Atom Oaktrail, it was very responsive and loaded with features, I did not run a virus scan though. Windows 8 will play a key part in the success or failure of these devices. Again, the more tightly MS integrates the OS across hardware platforms the easier it is for Enterprises to support, manage, and deploy.

[Fuzzy]

Windows Embedded Standard 7 has many great tablet/touch features. MS has made the OS available - there just really isn't much demand in the consumer marketplace. It is just a windows OS, though. It's not a full tablet experience. It's really there as a back-end for embedded systems (kiosks, single-task devices like data collection, inventory management, etc) that would have a 'custom' app running on them.

[phenixdragon]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Funny how everyone is rushing to the game now. When apple launched it everyone said it will never sell and there wasn't a market for it. Now every manufacture and their dog are trying to make one...

That being said I don't think the ipad is bad in fact I use mine daily. With RDP features I don't even need to go to a pc to manage my server which is nice. Is it perfect hell no.

I honestly think MS may make the best tablet.

There has been a market for it for a long time. I remember 7 years ago when I was in the IT at Starbucks, we were pushing tablets to people in the field. Just the hardware sucked and running a full blown OS, Windows, sucked. MSFT could make a killer tablet if they dump the idea of full Windows on there and expand Windows Mobile 7 or something like it just designed for tablets. Apple just gave what people wanted and it works for both personal and business use.

I do think today tablets and phones need to integrate and be cohesive together, which is like the iPad and somewhat Android, when Android 3.x comes out which is really meant for tablet use and not just phones.

[Slipshod]

I used a Thinkpad hybrid tablet PC at work for about 3 years, the last year and a half or so on Windows 7 (XP Tablet edition before that).

It was basically a laptop, but I could flip around the screen and fold it down. It really helped with my RSI (let me change up input types), and I found that I *REALLY* like Microsoft OneNote. I completely stopped carrying around a notebook. I used to love presenting on an overhead projector because I could draw directly on the powerpoint slides to help explain a complicated packet flow.

I don't really find the iPad or other dedicated tablets all that useful outside of entertainment. Give me something I can take notes on, or use in place of a whiteboard.

[pjpjpjpj]

Pretty quick turnaround (OP tablet) - debut at CES and advertising for it during the Super Bowl a month later.

Not the greatest commercial, but the not-so-subtle jab at Apple's iconic 1984 Mac commercial was notable.... in 1984, the rebel broke away from the masses by using an Apple; in 2011, the rebel breaks away from the white-earbudded masses with the non-iPad tablet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURVQbLES5I

[reggie14]

Android tablets are going to have a hard time, particularly if they keep trying to sell them for these amounts. The Xoom will retail for $800 and probably won't be subsidized. I realize spec-wise it compares very favorably to the current iPad models, but the iPad 2 will probably roughly even the score.

A big problem for Android tablets is that the quality and selection of Android apps (particularly for the almost non-existent Android tablets) is pretty poor compared to iOS/iPad apps. For some that won't matter, but I usually prefer to use apps to access content compared to most web sites (which the exception of Ars Technica's app, which is absolutely awful). And I play a game every once in a while.

Google, Motorola, Samsung and HTC are really going to have to work on that. Google isn't going to have that much of an impact by hiring a handful of programmers to create apps. They need to find a way to get major content providers/creators to develop good apps. Without good apps I think they'll have to undercut the iPad's price tag.

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

Pretty quick turnaround (OP tablet) - debut at CES and advertising for it during the Super Bowl a month later.

Not the greatest commercial, but the not-so-subtle jab at Apple's iconic 1984 Mac commercial was notable.... in 1984, the rebel broke away from the masses by using an Apple; in 2011, the rebel breaks away from the white-earbudded masses with the non-iPad tablet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURVQbLES5I

It was good commercial, especially given the reference to 1984. I fear that most people will be - "i don't get it"

Check out the Apple 1984 commercial (which was very clever for the time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ji0B98IMo&feature=fvst

or the parody version (that makes more sense today)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhHwim6cV8&feature=fvsr

[Folkboat]

We just bought a "Barnes and Noble" NOOK COLOR ereader! @$250.00

Its running Android 2.1.............albeit its configured as an ereader!!
It still has WiFi, Web Browser, MicroSD slot for expansion, soon to upgraded to Android 2.2 (Froyo), Great Build Quality, 7" 1024 X 600 touchscreen, Chess Game

And it is a GREAT ereader!!!

At $800.00 the Motorola XOOM seems priced toooo high!!

[Fuzzy]

Depends on if you have a need for it's performance. if you do, the $800 is on par with the usefulness of a decent laptop, in a much nicer form factor.

[Clift]

Well the WiFi only model will be priced exactly like a 32 GB WiFi iPad. I still think it's too pricey. Sure it will sell tons to the enthusiasts, but ti's too expensive to be considered a second device. Think about it: will this replace your phone? Nope. Will it replace your laptop? Probably not. So the price should be such that getting a Motorla XOOM isn't the same price as getting another laptop. JMHO

[mayamaniac]

Originally Posted by Clift

Well the WiFi only model will be priced exactly like a 32 GB WiFi iPad. I still think it's too pricey. Sure it will sell tons to the enthusiasts, but ti's too expensive to be considered a second device. Think about it: will this replace your phone? Nope. Will it replace your laptop? Probably not. So the price should be such that getting a Motorla XOOM isn't the same price as getting another laptop. JMHO

It doesn't stop the millions of people who bought the iPad for about the same price. The Xoom is coming out a year later, but it does offer better features with dual core CPU, front and back cameras, and flash player support. And from the looks of it, Honeycomb looks like well designed for tablets.

But if you didn't buy an iPad because of the price, then I can understand your disappointment that the Xoom isn't priced lower. So basically, they are targeting the same crowd that bought the iPad, and not you and me. It has nothing to do with replacing laptops or phones, the tablet is a unique product by itself and as the iPad has proven, there's a big market for it, even with the high price.