What is the deal with CBS?

[ThePaladinTech]

OK I don't know where else to ask ...
I record "undercover boss" and all season it's been like 45 minutes late starting.

I'm not a sports person but I did look in there lineup and didn't see any sports on tonight... so why is it off?

Thanks for solving this mystery for me!

[peternm22]

Originally Posted by ThePaladinTech

I'm not a sports person but I did look in there lineup and didn't see any sports on tonight... so why is it off?

There was a football game tonight on CBS, pushed everything in the CBS lineup back. I record "60 Minutes" on Sundays, so I'm use to this happening by now. It is very annoying though.

[ThePaladinTech]

Thanks I truly appreciate the info! I've looked at the SRE app but I think it is to catch a sporting event that runs long. I wonder if it (or something) could be made to look at an event running long and then it would "pad" all the recordings that evening by the amount of time the game ran over? (that would be clever IMHO)

[peternm22]

I think that would be tough. With the prime time lineup, they will usually show everything in it's entirety after a sports event goes over. But eventually they need to "catch up" to real time, and you never know what show they are going to cut to fix the schedule. Could be news, could be syndication, or it could be an infomercial.

With the CBS Sunday stuff, I usually just stick an hour of padding onto any recording.

[broderp]

One of my pet peeves. I'm not a big sports fan and hate it when my shows are all messed up due to some stupid football game or baseball game.

If sports are so popular, the major networks should have a second sports channels, so they don't interfere with regular programming.

All we can do is pad our recording (sometimes by as much as 45 minutes)

[pjpjpjpj]

Originally Posted by broderp

One of my pet peeves. I'm not a big sports fan and hate it when my shows are all messed up due to some stupid football game or baseball game.

If sports are so popular, the major networks should have a second sports channels, so they don't interfere with regular programming.

All we can do is pad our recording (sometimes by as much as 45 minutes)

Nothing personal against you, broderp, but I'll use your post as an example of all people who complain about this....

This has been occurring since before DVRs, since before VCRs, since before cable TV, since before you were (most likely) born. It's not like they sprung something new on you.

It affects two channels, one day a week, for about 18 weeks a year.

Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lkus...eature=related

[JetreL]

Originally Posted by peternm22

With the CBS Sunday stuff, I usually just stick an hour of padding onto any recording.

That's how I cope with the Sunday stuff too. Not the best solution but generally works.

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lkus...eature=related

It's funny because it's true!

[GKusnick]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

Nothing personal against you, broderp, but I'll use your post as an example of all people who complain about this....

This has been occurring since before DVRs, since before VCRs, since before cable TV, since before you were (most likely) born. It's not like they sprung something new on you.

Yes, but now that we do have cable TV with a dozen channels devoted to nothing but sports, why do they still have to disrupt prime-time programming on the entertainment channels?

It's like being stuck behind the guy who insists on doing 55 in the fast lane on the freeway. There's four other lanes he could be using. The fact that in his grandfather's day there was only one lane (and cars couldn't go faster than 55 anyway) is completely irrelevant. He's still a jerk for doing it.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

Nothing personal against you, broderp, but I'll use your post as an example of all people who complain about this....

This has been occurring since before DVRs, since before VCRs, since before cable TV, since before you were (most likely) born. It's not like they sprung something new on you.

Originally Posted by GKusnick

Yes, but now that we do have cable TV with a dozen channels devoted to nothing but sports, why do they still have to disrupt prime-time programming on the entertainment channels?

It's like being stuck behind the guy who insists on doing 55 in the fast lane on the freeway. There's four other lanes he could be using. The fact that in his grandfather's day there was only one lane (and cars couldn't go faster than 55 anyway) is completely irrelevant. He's still a jerk for doing it.

BY the same token sports broadcast on the OTA National channels are probably one of the station's biggest money maker for advertising. So I can understand them running over the lesser of the revenue-generating programs. I don't agree with it or like it but I understand it.

Gerry

[pjpjpjpj]

My teasing above was about the inability to have the DVR adjust for live sports. But if we want to complain about why it's on a certain channel, as Gerry said.... the almighty dollar.

CBS and Fox paid hundreds of millions, if not billions, for the rights to show those games. They are the last bastions of non-pay-TV-required professional sports in America (basketball, baseball, and hockey all now being mainly covered on pay channels).

Perhaps they should do like with March Madness - just completely preempt all other programming and show the games non-stop all day Sunday, so no one cam complain about a show getting time-shifted.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by GKusnick

Yes, but now that we do have cable TV with a dozen channels devoted to nothing but sports, why do they still have to disrupt prime-time programming on the entertainment channels?

On a similar vein, why do the OTA networks waste airspace on news every day given all of the 24 news channels available today. And why do all of the networks have to pre-empt regularly scheduled content a few times a year to show a speech by the President? If you want to watch the speech then switch to CNN!

When I was a kid I used to get seriously ticked off when the after-school kids' programming on the Commander Tom Show would be pre-empted by Watergate hearings. Back then we didn't have the option of the cartoon channel or throwing in a tape in the VCR. I think that even predated Pong!

[razrsharpe]

@ slugger - any chance you would expand SRE to also push back (or pad) the recordings of shows that occur after sporting events so they get recorded in their entirety?

[wayner]

Originally Posted by razrsharpe

@ slugger - any chance you would expand SRE to also push back (or pad) the recordings of shows that occur after sporting events so they get recorded in their entirety?

This has come up in the past in the SRE thread and, if I recall correctly, Slugger decided not to do so since it is rather tricky to do properly. SRE uses web sites to determine when a game is over - there is no similar website to allow you to follow the progress of TV shows. There is also the issue of post-game shows. Even if the NFL games goes 35 minutes late the post-game show may take another 20 minutes. And what if they decide to join the other shows "already in progress"

So you are getting into a guessing game and it would be very hard for anyone to support any and all combinations of feature requests.

The best that any SRE-type tool could do would be to just provide lots of padding to any shows that occur later that day after the football games.

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by wayner

This has come up in the past in the SRE thread and, if I recall correctly, Slugger decided not to do so since it is rather tricky to do properly. SRE uses web sites to determine when a game is over - there is no similar website to allow you to follow the progress of TV shows. There is also the issue of post-game shows. Even if the NFL games goes 35 minutes late the post-game show may take another 20 minutes. And what if they decide to join the other shows "already in progress"

So you are getting into a guessing game and it would be very hard for anyone to support any and all combinations of feature requests.

The best that any SRE-type tool could do would be to just provide lots of padding to any shows that occur later that day after the football games.

ahhhh that makes sense... thanks for the explanation... i never follow the SRE thread sense i dont have a real use for it... and ya when thinkign about it that would be rather tricky to implement (and have it still be robust)...

[GKusnick]

Originally Posted by wayner

On a similar vein, why do the OTA networks waste airspace on news every day given all of the 24 news channels available today.

The difference is that the evening news happens on a fixed, predictable schedule. It may be a waste of airtime (local news certainly is, in my opinion) but it doesn't disrupt any other programming.

If networks want to do the same thing with sports, fine. Let them preempt an entire evening for the game and its associated blather, and I'll just tune out. My complaint (which seems to me a legitmate one) is that they don't schedule enough time for the game, and then allow it to displace other scheduled programming when it runs overtime. That's false advertising in my book. By trying to have it both ways, they pretty much guarantee that some viewers are going to end up ticked off (and heaven forbid it should be the sports fans).

[wayner]

While I am a big sports fan I think you are totally correct - the networks should not schedule any shows until 8 pm on Sundays.

[jchiso]

I am a big sports, and don't watch network programming otherwise (other than the Fox Sunday night lineup), but the problem is that the stupid league now starts games at 4:15PM and waste too much time with replay reviews and other nonsense. It's gotten almost impossible to get a game in in three hours, which used to be the norm ...

[graywolf]

Originally Posted by GKusnick

they pretty much guarantee that some viewers are going to end up ticked off (and heaven forbid it should be the sports fans).

Anyone remember the Heidi game between the New York Jets and the Oakland Raiders?

They should just tack on another hour to the games, which should take care of most extended play/overtime situations and just pad the rest with post game stuff. Win-Win situation. Or push back the start time an hour

[wayner]

Originally Posted by graywolf

Or push back the start time an hour

I personally think that is a good idea but I bet a lot of churches wouldn't like the idea, nor would late sleepers on the west coast.