Just in case- Alternatives to SageTV

[flavius]

What do they mean when they say "no boxes and cables"? Is this streaming only with the recordings stored somewhere in the cloud?

[amt]

I am not sure what they mean. They show a EPG on their demo, and they claim support for OTA and potential for cable boxes. The features clearly state support for local storage support for DVR functionality. We'll have to wait and see. I will probably download their code, build it, and play with it.

[ranger]

Originally Posted by flavius

What do they mean when they say "no boxes and cables"? Is this streaming only with the recordings stored somewhere in the cloud?

I took it to mean they are targeting TV manufacturers to embed this in the TV. Not a bad idea as long as there is client server support along with support for other tuners.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by amt

Looks like it's going to get even more interesting regarding alternatives:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/u...-debut-at-ces/

The interface looks really nice. Hopefully they maintain a client/server architecture. My hope is this has all the power of MythTV (and I guess Sage) with great simplicity. And it's all open source

I'll say one thing, they know now to make a trailer

The optimist in me says that looks really cool and could be exactly what we're looking for.

The pessimist in me (realist?) says they're going to have to make a quantum leap in Linux video/media for it to actually be usable. Which reminds me I've sorta been meaning to make a VM to test out Myth...

[SHS]

DirecTV HR34 Home Media Center DVR system it limited to 5 tuner.
Dishnetwork Hopper HD DVR system it limited to 3 tuner.
Both support four different rooms how ever the how odd part with Dishnetwork is only has 3 tuner go figer.
Both have Client but DirecTV C-30/HMC-30 set-top box is nowhere to be found.
None of them are a Real all-in-one solution to distribution needs in the home that would take care of all media, be it pictures, music, video/movies, and recorded TV as well as live TV and both have limited file format option.
Far I know of only JPEG, MP3 and MPEG are the only format that you can used.

amt I belive Ubuntu TV = MythTV just with Unity UI

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by SHS

Both support four different rooms how ever the how odd part with Dishnetwork is only has 3 tuner go figer.

Think of it as using an HDHR twin channels and dumping that to the hard drive. Since they control what they put on those sub-channels, they know that ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX are available on that single "prime time" tuner, so the other 2 tuners are free to record any other 2 programs, so 6 programs with 3 tuners... The initial HDHR support of BTV was doing that, before they got the automatic "StreamSnip" in...

[SHS]

Ok I forund it in Press Release there a major error in Press Release

The main Hopper unit features:
Three satellite TV tuners
A two-terabyte hard drive for up to 2,000 hours of video entertainment
Up to 250 hours of HD or up to 1,000 hours of SD user recordings
Bluetooth for linking to devices such as wireless headphones
Picture-in-picture for watching any two channels simultaneously

Then later on

The Hopper can record up to six TV shows at once (two live programs and four PrimeTime Anytime shows) while allowing viewers to watch up to four different recorded or on-demand shows in four rooms of the house, simultaneously. This gives a family a variety of options to control or view their recordings and to watch shows in any room from a single Hopper.

[tmiranda]

And there are lots of rumors that before passing Steve Jobs "cracked the code" for an "insanely great" iTV. Who knows... everybody who is anybody seems to be doing something in this area. I think the future is bright, but it's unclear who the winner will be.

I just hope I'm not forced into buying an iBluRay player, iGameConsole, and an iTV if Apple is the winner. Oh, and none of this stuff will work unless you are using iElectricity that you can only buy using iDollars from your iDebit card

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

Think of it as using an HDHR twin channels and dumping that to the hard drive. Since they control what they put on those sub-channels, they know that ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX are available on that single "prime time" tuner, so the other 2 tuners are free to record any other 2 programs, so 6 programs with 3 tuners... The initial HDHR support of BTV was doing that, before they got the automatic "StreamSnip" in...

Sound more like load hog wash if ask me that not a Ture 6 tuners

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by SHS

DirecTV HR34 Home Media Center DVR system it limited to 5 tuner.
Dishnetwork Hopper HD DVR system it limited to 3 tuner.
Both support four different rooms how ever the how odd part with Dishnetwork is only has 3 tuner go figer.
Both have Client but DirecTV C-30/HMC-30 set-top box is nowhere to be found.

Well, personally, I've only got two sat boxes/tuners (and one's flaky and doesn't get used much anyway) and only one HDHR, so a total of four tuners, but it's quite rare more than any total of two are in use.

Though it is "disappointing" that Dish's entry is only three tuners total.

None of them are a Real all-in-one solution to distribution needs in the home that would take care of all media, be it pictures, music, video/movies, and recorded TV as well as live TV and both have limited file format option.
Far I know of only JPEG, MP3 and MPEG are the only format that you can used.

Practically, I don't care. The only thing I really don't want is to have a PC (and it's associated issues) and something else at each TV, ie Xbox (WMC Extenders) and a PC to get what I want. I've already got an HD200+Roku 2 in the living room and an HD300+Xbox (for games/Netflix) in the HT. So multiple devices isn't a issue to me.

amt I belive Ubuntu TV = MythTV just with Unity UI[/quote]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

And there are lots of rumors that before passing Steve Jobs "cracked the code" for an "insanely great" iTV. Who knows... everybody who is anybody seems to be doing something in this area. I think the future is bright, but it's unclear who the winner will be.

The problem with "iTV" isn't any technical or user interface issue, it's the content providers. The barrier to truly "insanely great" TV is that there's no good way to get content into anything that's not from your service provider.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

iDollars from your iDebit card

I vote for iBank

[KarylFStein]

Originally Posted by SHS

DirecTV HR34 Home Media Center DVR system it limited to 5 tuner.

Keep in mind that I think it's limited to streaming to three devices at a time plus an attached display, (not sure if that's the case if you use Ethernet). And even if you have the OTA receiver, I believe you still have the 5 tuner limit.

Originally Posted by SHS

Both have Client but DirecTV C-30/HMC-30 set-top box is nowhere to be found.

I think DirecTV is trying to get RVU directly on the display instead of client boxes. But is there a market for RVU outside of DirecTV right now? I imagine if you are in an area where you can get an H34 you won't have a problem leasing a client from DirecTV . If RVU takes off, maybe you'll have more options...

Originally Posted by SHS

None of them are a Real all-in-one solution to distribution needs in the home that would take care of all media, be it pictures, music, video/movies, and recorded TV as well as live TV and both have limited file format option.
Far I know of only JPEG, MP3 and MPEG are the only format that you can used.

In my view, SageTV isn't a good all-in-one solution either only because the music and picture options leave--again in my view--much to be desired. That's why for 2012 I moved to using SageTV just for TV/video where it excells and DLNA servers and "smart TV apps" for the rest. I don't like Internet video for movies, although I used the free credits that came with a display to try VUDU and was surprised. I'll still take a local copy for movies, though--it's cheaper to rent locally or through my Christmas Netflix gift, better selection, better video and audio quality, and can give you extras. For music, (CD rips, Internet radio, and centrally-managed playlist "favorites" for both), plus pictures, I'm liking the DLNA route and this year have cut SageTV out of that job.

[PiX64]

i like this option

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...77&postcount=1

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by Rob

Maybe it's two things for me. Jerky pans and shimmering when it is not panning. I'm watching on a 1080P pany plasma, so does that mean the shimmering happens during the conversion from interlaced material to a progressive display. If so, Panteragsk's comment about having trouble on an interlaced display is confusing me (I know, it's not hard to confuse me )

I wish someone had a "best practice" settings for a current architecture client relative to software/decoder setup for sage, but maybe there are too many variables.

My TV is old and crappy is pretty much what I'm saying. With it being an interlaced display it doesn't quite look right when I watch something that isn't interlaced. Interlacing progressive content produces some strange looking results sometimes.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by SHS

DirecTV HR34 Home Media Center DVR system it limited to 5 tuner.
Dishnetwork Hopper HD DVR system it limited to 3 tuner.
Both support four different rooms how ever the how odd part with Dishnetwork is only has 3 tuner go figer.
Both have Client but DirecTV C-30/HMC-30 set-top box is nowhere to be found.
None of them are a Real all-in-one solution to distribution needs in the home that would take care of all media, be it pictures, music, video/movies, and recorded TV as well as live TV and both have limited file format option.
Far I know of only JPEG, MP3 and MPEG are the only format that you can used.

Samsung announced their 2012 Smart TVs will be RVU clients.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/s...v-without-stb/

This year, Samsung will embed the RVU protocol in its entire line of Smart TVs and underscores the company's ongoing commitment to deliver to consumers high-quality, visually enhanced and connected entertainment experiences in their home. Based on industry standards such as DLNA and UPnP, RVU allows a set-top box server to provide a complete, multi-room viewing experience that includes DVR services across all the connected TVs in the home through a single set-top box.

[Sparhawk6]

Looks like Ceton has a solution:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/c...nder-hands-on/

Whoa. I want to see what that interface looks like.

EDIT: Looks like it is Windows 7 embedded, which I assume will look just like Windows Media Center. Also, it is an extender for Windows Media Center! It looks like they are selling a server and an extender...This could be big.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

Looks like Ceton has a solution:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/c...nder-hands-on/

Whoa. I want to see what that interface looks like.

EDIT: Looks like it is Windows 7 embedded, which I assume will look just like Windows Media Center. Also, it is an extender for Windows Media Center! It looks like they are selling a server and an extender...This could be big.

It's Windows Media Center. They are just using Windows 7 embedded to deliver it.


EDIT: Check out all the gallery pictures. You'll see the interface:
Engadget Q Gallery

Gerry

[aflat]

Originally Posted by gplasky

It's Windows Media Center. They are just using Windows 7 embedded to deliver it.


EDIT: Check out all the gallery pictures. You'll see the interface:
Engadget Q Gallery

Gerry

Yes but the million dollar question, can it stream mkv/divx/avi/<instert your container format here>? Since the only current extender, the Xbox 360, can't do mkv(without transcoding on the server first)

[Deacon Crusher]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/c...nder-hands-on/

[PiX64]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/c...nder-hands-on/

Well that is a plesent suprise!