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Win 7 64 bit and Firewire 1394 channel change
are there still no apps that run on a 64 bit install for set-top box channel change?
is it a limitation of the app, the OS, or the set-top box? I thought W7 64 bit ran 32 bit apps ok, no?
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I believe its a driver issue, that 64 bit doesn't have firewire drivers to address the boxes for the app to see. So I guess its an OS issue then.
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W7-x64 can run x32 applications but drivers must be 64 bit. There are no 64-bit drivers for set-top boxes.
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for some reason, this software question has been moved to the hardware section, but don't let that confuse you with regards to answering or offering suggestions - it's a software issue from what I can see, aka drivers and OS.
cheers
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The crux of the matter is that the person that originally put the firewire recording stuff together, Tim Moore, vanished and so official development on those drivers and tools ceased. I don't think he actually wrote the drivers though. I believe there has been talk about someone writing 64-bit drivers but so far there has been nothing done in that department.
I suspect the actual interest in creating 64-bit drivers is due to the number of people who would be using them. Like it or not we are a minuscule minority of all computer users. Anyone writing the drivers would probably be doing it on their own time. Just doesn't make a lot of sense for most people who have the knowledge for the task.
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Does the stb have active usb ports? You might be able to use serial tuning if it does. I don't know of anything other than drectv that can use it, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other stb's that have that ability.
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yes, it does have a USB port. Cox Cable Motorola DCH3200. No idea if it is active for any use
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If memory serves me correctly, the drivers were extracted from a Japanese application called CapDVHS and were written by Toshiba. Tim packaged those drivers and wrote the other utilities to make the drivers useful for people like us. The details are now fuzzy but that's close to how it happened. If 64 bit drivers are ever going to happen someone will have to start from scratch and hack the communications and control commands from the set top boxes. I'd love to try but have no idea how to even get started.
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I built a new Sage server late last year and the only reason that I used 32 bit Windows was for FireWire channel changing.
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Because firewire ports are required by law to be active and functioning. There are TV's and DVHS machines that have firewire inputs.
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I believe the law in the US is also interpreted to mean that cable cos have to offer "A" box that has active and functioning firewire ports but they don't necessarily have to have them on all of their STBs.
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That agrees with my recolection of how the 32 bit drivers came to be. Since there is no source code the 64 bit drivers cannot be created without significant effort. I also recall someone looking into signing costs required for 64 bit drivers and the cost was prohibitive.
In all honesty, firewire's days are pretty much done. It never was mainstream on the PC and Mac have moved on To Thunderbolt. When I bought a new motherboard ~6 months ago the number of Haswell boards with "firewire on board" was exactly null. While "firewire on board" was never exactly common, it wasn't something that required a lot of looking either. I also haven't seen a TV offered with a 1394 input in over 10 years. On my new build I've moved to a USBUIRT partly out of concern that firewire may be absent in future STBs but also partly because I'm no longer restricted to 32 bit Windows. The USBUIRT isn't as fast as firewire, but seems a lot less hit or miss than the WMC blasters I used in the past. |
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If you search around, you'll find Fuzzy talking about that solution (and answering some questions from me about it). Seems to not have impacted my stability...but I didn't do performance tests to see impact either (just assumed). |
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