Hauppauge Colossus HD-PVR

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by wayner

But Placeshifting of MPEG-2 files is much less fraught with problems. It also means that Placeshifting or Comskipping could be done with much less CPU since MPEG-2 files are much easier to decode than H.264. And it also means that you have more options for editting video.

oh agreed on all fronts and would likely switch to mpeg2 for all the reasons you list... i was just sharing my experience getting hdpvr placeshifting working....

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by craigap

It's not a dual tuner??? Looking at the picture I thought it looked like it has 3HDMI connections. I assumed 2in and 1out for the passthrough.

It has a single HDMI input, a single Component input, and a Component passthrough output. It then also has a TOSLINK input, and passthrough TOSLINK output, and the connection for the IR blaster.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by craigap

It's not a dual tuner??? Looking at the picture I thought it looked like it has 3HDMI connections. I assumed 2in and 1out for the passthrough.

Also keep in mind it is not a tuner in the traditional sense. It is just a capture card. The card does no tuning.

Gerry

[TallMomof2]

When this comes out I'm moving to a Win 7 based server and only using my WHS server for PC backups which it does great. This plus a Silicondust HD Prime with existing HDHRs might finally give me a stable setup. But, I'm waiting until some of you have worked out the kinks.

[xred]

Originally Posted by SHS

Only Video card make used of PCIe 2.0/3.0 specification

So do RAID cards and any other high bandwidth applications (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816115076)

I thought this might require it given 2 concurrent capture streams, but I guess 1.0 is still enough bandwidth.

[paulbeers]

Considering that an MPEG2 1080i stream is about 20mbps, you could fit 100 MPEG2 streams into one PCIE 1.0 1X connection or 150 H.264 1080i streams (using the max bit rate of 13.5mbps for the current HDPVR).

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

Considering that an MPEG2 1080i stream is about 20mbps, you could fit 100 MPEG2 streams into one PCIE 1.0 1X connection or 150 H.264 1080i streams (using the max bit rate of 13.5mbps for the current HDPVR).

Beat me to it. I was just going to add that a 1x pcie 1.0 slot has 250mbps bandwidth. With this being a second gen device I'm eager to get one of these. I'm glad I waited all this time before getting an HD-PVR. I'm not a big fan of external devices, or h.264 encoding for TV.

[Brent]

My first though when I saw this thread: Please tell me they aren't going to call it "Colossus!"

[SHS]

Originally Posted by xred

So do RAID cards and any other high bandwidth applications (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816115076)

I thought this might require it given 2 concurrent capture streams, but I guess 1.0 is still enough bandwidth.

Even if was 2 or 4 capture streams at the highset bitrate you never max out bandwidth with PCIe 1.0a spec how ever that would be a diff story if was capture in raw mode like AVI

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Brent

My first though when I saw this thread: Please tell me they aren't going to call it "Colossus!"

Why not? I think it sound good, It better then the same old name that Hauppauge has been using for years.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

Beat me to it. I was just going to add that a 1x pcie 1.0 slot has 250mbps bandwidth. With this being a second gen device I'm eager to get one of these. I'm glad I waited all this time before getting an HD-PVR. I'm not a big fan of external devices, or h.264 encoding for TV.

I would have perf the Xcode 4111 chip because of other popular Video Formats supported that it can do like H.263, DivX, Xvid, Real, etc. >> AVC, MPEG2, MPEG4 (ASP, SP) but it boil down to cost so the 3111 will have do for now.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by SHS

I would have perf the Xcode 4111 chip because of other popular Video Formats supported that it can do like H.263, DivX, Xvid, Real, etc. >> AVC, MPEG2, MPEG4 (ASP, SP) but it boil down to cost so the 3111 will have do for now.

Definately don't see any need to encode to any of those formats. (or realy, to even USE any of those formats). MPEG2 is a solid, stable, and fault resistant protocol, low overhad, and low-end hardware can play it back perfectly. H.264 is much more advanced, higher compression, but not as fault tollerant, and needs higher end hardware to decode. I don't see the need for the 'gaps' in between. Not for this type of device, at least.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Definately don't see any need to encode to any of those formats. (or realy, to even USE any of those formats). MPEG2 is a solid, stable, and fault resistant protocol, low overhad, and low-end hardware can play it back perfectly. H.264 is much more advanced, higher compression, but not as fault tollerant, and needs higher end hardware to decode. I don't see the need for the etcetc 'gaps' in between. Not for this type of device, at least.

Ture but then agine that only apply SD Video so it not ture for most Low end system they can't handel MPEG-2 video at the Main Profile @ High Level aka HDTV/ATSC specification.
Where this would also be useful is in other area like on fly stearm Transcoding for Placeshifter or Internet Stearming to iPOD, PS3, etc, etc.

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Brent

My first though when I saw this thread: Please tell me they aren't going to call it "Colossus!"

Ditto!

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by SHS

Ture but then agine that only apply SD Video so it not ture for most Low end system they can't handel MPEG-2 video at the Main Profile @ High Level aka HDTV/ATSC specification.
Where this would also be useful is in other area like on fly stearm Transcoding for Placeshifter or Internet Stearming to iPOD, PS3, etc, etc.

The absolute lowest end system that is currently available (thinking a non-ion atom based board) has no real problem with MPEG-2 ATSC.

[korben_dallas]

If the drivers support multiple IR blasters, then I'll take seven!

gplasky

Also keep in mind it is not a tuner in the traditional sense. It is just a capture card. The card does no tuning.

Gerry

My old 150 begs to differ. Years of solid STB tuning via the blaster, and recording via S-video.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by korben_dallas

If the drivers support multiple IR blasters, then I'll take seven!



My old 150 begs to differ. Years of solid STB tuning via the blaster, and recording via S-video.

Just because you aren't using the onboard tuner on the 150, doens't mean it isn'ta tuner card. This, is NOT a tuner card, as it has no tuner.

[davephan]

I hope Hauppage or SageTV tests to determine if the new capture card functions with the SageTV software. Then the next step will be testing the longer term reliability. The HD-PVR's long term reliability is clearly poor for many people. I think eliminating the USB interface is a step in the right direction. Switching to mpeg2 is also a good move since mpeg2 files can be comskipped much quicker and the editing is much easier. The only downside is the larger file size for the mpeg2 files, which is less of a problem with today's larger hard drives, and the mpeg2 files can be compressed after the recordings are done.

Multiple IR blasting can easily be done today with the USB UIRT, so the new design's IR blasting does not even have to function to make it a superior product if the capture card itself is more reliable than the HD-PVR. If the new capture card is supported by SageTV and appears to be more reliable than the HD-PVR, I would order a unit right away to replace my HD-PVR.

Dave

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by davephan

Switching to mpeg2 is also a good move since mpeg2 files can be comskipped much quicker and the editing is much easier. The only downside is the larger file size for the mpeg2 files, which is less of a problem with today's larger hard drives, and the mpeg2 files can be compressed after the recordings are done.
Dave

Anyone using a HDHomeRun is already dealing with mpeg2 files. My mpeg2 from OTA are about twice as big as the .ts files. And as you pointed out disk space is pretty cheap now adays.

Gerry

[davephan]

I did not see anything on the Hauppauge web site about the new HD-PVR on a card product. Is there any information about this product like price and when it will be available (if it is a real product).

I've been hoping there would be a internal card version of the HD-PVR to eliminate the need for USB to pass a video stream. Hopefully, if this is a real product, it will be more reliable than the HD-PVR.

Dave