Tuning on Hauppage WinTV Nova 500

[Spagaroony]

Hi, call me stupid, but I've spent all day fighting horrible Hauppauge hardware and software to no avail.

I thought I'd give SageTV a go since it's Hauppauge's WinTV 7 (v1.1) which seems to flatly refuse to hook up to their own hardware, anyway...

I downloaded SageTV 21 day trial and let it tune to my card, I'm in the south of england so chose Crystal Palace (Do I really need to choose a transmitter, can't it just sense everything I'm feeding it on the UHF?) and I'm only getting about 10 or 20 channels tuned (of the 40 or 50 or so it should be picking up).

SageTV seems to be tuning by number, rather than by frequency.

I got a bad feeling as well the Crystal Palace only broadcasts a few channels.

guugh, I'm tired and I'm hacked off - why dont things just work?

Can someone please tell me how to press a 'tune and get everything' button on SageTV - or am I missing the point?

Thanks

[fac13]

Hi, if you haven't already done so can I suggest you download and run the UK version of scanchannelsbda - a free utility which you can use to see everything your tuner can receive, and how strong the signals are. It is described in the Hauppauge forums here

The fact that you can tune some channels but not others suggests it isn't a problem with Sage (or WinTV) and doing this will eliminate both of them from your search for the problem. I suspect you just don't have a strong enough signal to tune some of the lower-power muxes.

I think the answer to the question "why does it need to know which transmitter I'm receiving from?" is "It doesn't". I suspect all it really needs to know is which country you are in, so that it can scan the correct frequency ranges, offsets, bandwidth settings etc. That is all scanchannelsbda needs to know anyway.

I hope this helps.

[jaminben]

Hi, Thought I'd make you aware of the fact that if a channel isn't broadcasting when you do a scan Sage won't pick it up. So for example if you do a scan @ 10.00am you won't find BBC3 or BBC4 as these don't start broadcasting until around 7.00pm. So what you have to do is scan once in AM and once in PM to get all available channels, then you need to edit your .frq file to combine both scans.

Their is loads of information about how to do this in the forums. It may sound hard but its not so its worth sticking with. You may also find your transmitter on the wiki and use that data for your area.

[Spagaroony]

Thanks for your helps, I'll have a play with the suggested and let you know how I get on

[doc]

You could go to

http://sagetv.wikia.com/wiki/Crystal_Palace

The Crystal Palace frequencies should be there. You can copy and past them into your frq files named

Nova-DT DVB-T Capture (Dev1 Path0) -0-DVB-T.frq
and
Nova-DT DVB-T Capture (Dev1 Path1) -0-DVB-T.frq

in the sagetv folder

[Spagaroony]

ah ha!

That worked lully

Thanks for helpages

[Spagaroony]

Hi, so although the list given in the above works, the channels are limited (compared to what my tele just pulls out of nowhere).

So I've pretty much been playing around all day building some kind of mad config file off the back of ScanChannelsDB and got to here:

ch:1 0 0 4172 578000 8 0 1 #BBC1
ch:2 0 0 4236 578000 8 0 1 #BBC Two
ch:3 0 0 8272 538000 8 0 1 #ITV1
ch:4 0 0 8384 538000 8 0 1 #Channel 4
ch:5 0 0 12866 689833 8 0 1 #FIVE
ch:6 0 0 8325 538000 8 0 1 #ITV2
ch:10 0 0 8294 538000 8 0 1 #ITV3
ch:11 0 0 22208 738000 8 0 1 #SKY THREE
ch:12 0 0 25792 713833 8 0 1 #Yesterday
ch:13 0 0 8452 538000 8 0 1 #Channel 4+1
ch:14 0 0 8442 538000 8 0 1 #More 4
ch:15 0 0 27136 713833 8 0 1 #Film4
ch:16 0 0 13120 689833 8 0 1 #QVC
ch:18 0 0 25664 713833 8 0 1 #4Music
ch:19 0 0 22272 738000 8 0 1 #Dave
ch:21 0 0 25728 713833 8 0 1 #TMF
ch:22 0 0 25920 713833 8 0 1 #Ideal World
ch:23 0 0 14272 689833 8 0 1 #bid tv
ch:24 0 0 8353 538000 8 0 1 #ITV4
ch:25 0 0 27392 713833 8 0 1 #Dave ja vu
ch:26 0 0 14976 689833 8 0 1 #UKTV STYLE
ch:27 0 0 27072 713833 8 0 1 #ITV2 +1
ch:28 0 0 8448 538000 8 0 1 #E4
ch:29 0 0 22336 738000 8 0 1 #E4+1
ch:34 0 0 16096 689833 8 0 1 #SETANTA SPORTS
ch:35 0 0 12992 689833 8 0 1 #FIVE USA
ch:36 0 0 12928 689833 8 0 1 #FIVER
ch:45 0 0 19456 681833 8 0 1 #301
ch:46 0 0 19520 681833 8 0 1 #302
ch:49 0 0 14432 689833 8 0 1 #NETPLAY TV
ch:83 0 0 22144 738000 8 0 1 #Sky Spts News
ch:82 0 0 22080 738000 8 0 1 #Sky News
ch:70 0 0 4671 578000 8 0 1 #CBBC Channel 1
ch:71 0 0 16960 681833 8 0 1 #CBeebies
ch:72 0 0 16032 689833 8 0 1 #CITV
ch:80 0 0 4415 578000 8 0 1 #BBC News
ch:81 0 0 17024 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Parliament
ch:101 0 0 14784 689833 8 0 1 #Ttext Holidays
ch:102 0 0 8633 538000 8 0 1 #Rabbit
ch:188 0 0 18496 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Radio 1
ch:189 0 0 18176 681833 8 0 1 #BBC 1Xtra
ch:190 0 0 18560 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Radio 2
ch:191 0 0 18624 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Radio 3
ch:192 0 0 18688 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Radio 4
ch:193 0 0 17920 681833 8 0 1 #BBC R5L
ch:194 0 0 17984 681833 8 0 1 #BBC R5SX
ch:195 0 0 18048 681833 8 0 1 #BBC 6 Music
ch:196 0 0 18112 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Radio 7
ch:197 0 0 18240 681833 8 0 1 #BBC Asian Net
ch:198 0 0 18304 681833 8 0 1 #BBC World Service
ch:199 0 0 26560 713833 8 0 1 #The Hits Radio
ch:200 0 0 14592 689833 8 0 1 #Smash Hits!
ch:201 0 0 26176 713833 8 0 1 #Kiss
ch:202 0 0 26240 713833 8 0 1 #heat
ch:203 0 0 26624 713833 8 0 1 #Magic
ch:204 0 0 26688 713833 8 0 1 #Q
ch:206 0 0 26368 713833 8 0 1 #SMOOTH RADIO
ch:210 0 0 26304 713833 8 0 1 #Kerrang!
ch:211 0 0 22592 738000 8 0 1 #talkSPORT
ch:213 0 0 22976 738000 8 0 1 #Premier Radio
ch:215 0 0 23104 738000 8 0 1 #Absolute Radio


Which is all fine, but as it turns out it's an old file format, SageTV hates it.

So I can spend another hour turning it into the right format, I think I've got everything excepting an

onid

for the

ch:index onid:networkid tsid:transport_id sid:sevrice_id frq:frequency band:band_width ctrl:ctrlbits


So 2 questions....

1). Whats an onid and how do I find it out

2). Does everyone that buys SageTV struggle like this? maan its hard, I mean has anyone in the UK ever managed to get it working at all ever?

?

[Spagaroony]

any use to anyone?




VERSION 3.0, country:United Kingdom-London and South East@Crystal Palace
TYPE DVB-T
#fec_rate: 1:fec1/2, 2:fec2/3, 3:fec3/4, 4:fec3/5, 5:fec4/5, 6:fec5/6, 7:fec5/11, 8:fec7/8 9:fec8/9
#fec: 1:VBC, 2:RS/2048, 3:maximum
#polarisation: 1:linear_H, 2:Linear_V, 3:Circular_L, 4:Circular_R
#modualtion: 0:QPSK, 1:16QAM, 2:32QAM, 3:64QAM, 4:128QAM, 5:256QAM, 6:QAM_AUTO, 7:8VSB 8:16VSB
#ctrlbits: 0:diasable, 1:enable, 3:encrypted
#format:
# ch:index onid:networkid tsid:transport_id sid:sevrice_id frq:frequency band:band_width ctrl:ctrlbits
#example:
# CH:11 onid:123 sid:456 tsid:789 frq:670000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-WORD


ch:1 onid:9018 tsid:4172 frq:578000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC1
ch:2 onid:9018 tsid:4236 frq:578000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Two
ch:3 onid:9018 tsid:8272 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV1
ch:4 onid:9018 tsid:8384 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel 4
ch:5 onid:9018 tsid:12866 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE
ch:6 onid:9018 tsid:8325 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2
ch:10 onid:9018 tsid:8294 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV3
ch:11 onid:9018 tsid:22208 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SKY THREE
ch:12 onid:9018 tsid:25792 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Yesterday
ch:13 onid:9018 tsid:8452 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel 4+1
ch:14 onid:9018 tsid:8442 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:More 4
ch:15 onid:9018 tsid:27136 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Film4
ch:16 onid:9018 tsid:13120 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:QVC
ch:18 onid:9018 tsid:25664 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:4Music
ch:19 onid:9018 tsid:22272 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #ave
ch:21 onid:9018 tsid:25728 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:TMF
ch:22 onid:9018 tsid:25920 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Ideal World
ch:23 onid:9018 tsid:14272 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:bid tv
ch:24 onid:9018 tsid:8353 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV4
ch:25 onid:9018 tsid:27392 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #ave ja vu
ch:26 onid:9018 tsid:14976 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:UKTV STYLE
ch:27 onid:9018 tsid:27072 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2 +1
ch:28 onid:9018 tsid:8448 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4
ch:29 onid:9018 tsid:22336 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4+1
ch:34 onid:9018 tsid:16096 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SETANTA SPORTS
ch:35 onid:9018 tsid:12992 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE USA
ch:36 onid:9018 tsid:12928 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVER
ch:45 onid:9018 tsid:19456 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:301
ch:46 onid:9018 tsid:19520 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:302
ch:49 onid:9018 tsid:14432 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:NETPLAY TV
ch:83 onid:9018 tsid:22144 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky Spts News
ch:82 onid:9018 tsid:22080 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky News
ch:70 onid:9018 tsid:4671 frq:578000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CBBC Channel 1
ch:71 onid:9018 tsid:16960 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CBeebies
ch:72 onid:9018 tsid:16032 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CITV
ch:80 onid:9018 tsid:4415 frq:578000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC News
ch:81 onid:9018 tsid:17024 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Parliament
ch:101 onid:9018 tsid:14784 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Ttext Holidays
ch:102 onid:9018 tsid:8633 frq:538000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Rabbit
ch:188 onid:9018 tsid:18496 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Radio 1
ch:189 onid:9018 tsid:18176 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC 1Xtra
ch:190 onid:9018 tsid:18560 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Radio 2
ch:191 onid:9018 tsid:18624 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Radio 3
ch:192 onid:9018 tsid:18688 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Radio 4
ch:193 onid:9018 tsid:17920 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC R5L
ch:194 onid:9018 tsid:17984 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC R5SX
ch:195 onid:9018 tsid:18048 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC 6 Music
ch:196 onid:9018 tsid:18112 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Radio 7
ch:197 onid:9018 tsid:18240 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Asian Net
ch:198 onid:9018 tsid:18304 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC World Service
ch:199 onid:9018 tsid:26560 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:The Hits Radio
ch:200 onid:9018 tsid:14592 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Smash Hits!
ch:201 onid:9018 tsid:26176 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Kiss
ch:202 onid:9018 tsid:26240 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:heat
ch:203 onid:9018 tsid:26624 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Magic
ch:204 onid:9018 tsid:26688 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Q
ch:206 onid:9018 tsid:26368 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SMOOTH RADIO
ch:210 onid:9018 tsid:26304 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Kerrang!
ch:211 onid:9018 tsid:22592 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:talkSPORT
ch:213 onid:9018 tsid:22976 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Premier Radio
ch:215 onid:9018 tsid:23104 frq:738000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Absolute Radio

[Spagaroony]

stilll grrrrrrr at not being able to just press a button to scan for channels - how mad is that, not being able to scan for channels

[fac13]

Originally Posted by Spagaroony

stilll grrrrrrr at not being able to just press a button to scan for channels - how mad is that, not being able to scan for channels

There is a button called "Scan For Available Channels"

Sage doesn't do "radio" (audio-only channels) so there is no need to put them in your frq file.

[Spagaroony]

Scan for all channels only populates about 10 out of the list above

(even if I'm watching a channel on tele and then run the scan ... it doesn't populate)

@radio - shrugs, never listen to it anyway

This is all I get when I let the scan button do its thing:


CH:1 onid:9018 tsid:4108 sid:4172 frq:578000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-ONE
CH:2 onid:9018 tsid:4108 sid:4236 frq:578000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-TWO
CH:3 onid:9018 tsid:4108 sid:4415 frq:578000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-NEWS
CH:4 onid:9018 tsid:4108 sid:4351 frq:578000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-THREE
CH:5 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8272 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV1
CH:6 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8384 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel-4
CH:7 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8448 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4
CH:8 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8353 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV4
CH:9 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8442 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:More-4
CH:10 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8325 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2
CH:11 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8294 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV3
CH:12 onid:9018 tsid:8208 sid:8452 frq:538000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel-4+1


quite a bit missing huh, don't know why