Weather: I AM English! :)

[rickgillyon]

Okay, annoying me today is this (I need a new hobby):
In Weather options I have two possibilities, English or Metric. Metric gives me Celsius and Kilometres, English gives me Fahrenheit and Miles. In England, where some of us are English, we use Miles and Celsius (if younger than 60 years old, anyway).

So, can we change the options to Metric, English and American?
Or at least is there a property I can change?

[Opus4]

I guess you're looking for Engric or Metlish... please contact The Weather Channel somewhere at weather.com and ask for that third option.

SageTV is just displaying the values & units they provide and unless they've changed things recently, they only have 2 options when setting the units: Standard and Metric. Since some people thought having Standard and Metric options was a bit redundant, we decided to emulate weather.com and call them English and Metric.

- Andy

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by Opus4

I guess you're looking for Engric or Metlish...

Are you trying to wind me up?
I'm looking for ENGLISH! What we have labelled as English is American...

Originally Posted by Opus4

we decided to emulate weather.com and call them English and Metric.

Okay, I'll accept that it's not your fault, but I'll still be grumbling about it in a year's time...
Time to email weather.com

[FidgetyRat]

Originally Posted by rickgillyon

Are you trying to wind me up?
I'm looking for ENGLISH! What we have labelled as English is American...

Hey, at least you are allowed to set sage to use the 24h time format where you live. Apparently sage thinks no Americans actually use "military time".

[parkimar]

Ha,

Im an Englishman in New Jersey (Crap version of the Sting song).
I sympathise, I just had to get used to it.

Cheers

Mark

[zz5]

Now I don't know exactly what is going on here, but it sounds like some people are trying to get the units changed or something. You need to leave the units alone. The correct units to use are Fahrenheit and Miles. If anyone is using other units, that is kind of strange. In fact, if there was going to be a change, the choices could be changed to the "Correct" units and "Other" units. When you chose "Other", you'd go to another screen where they let you choose these other specials units if you want. Seriously, though, you should be using Fahrenheit and Miles. Just leave this setting alone.

[doc]

I like miles and celcius, that is until the temperature gets to above 65F, above that it has to be fahrenheit, otherwise I have no idea how hot its going to be.

Thats the problem for us 60's kids, born too late to be old fasioned (english) but too early to be modern (metric).

[FidgetyRat]

Still doesn't solve the forced am/pm time. hah.

[hoadie]

Originally Posted by zz5

Now I don't know exactly what is going on here, but it sounds like some people are trying to get the units changed or something. You need to leave the units alone. The correct units to use are Fahrenheit and Miles. If anyone is using other units, that is kind of strange. In fact, if there was going to be a change, the choices could be changed to the "Correct" units and "Other" units. When you chose "Other", you'd go to another screen where they let you choose these other specials units if you want. Seriously, though, you should be using Fahrenheit and Miles. Just leave this setting alone.

Why should he be doing this? In the UK they use Celsius and Miles. These are his 'correct' units. I use Celsius and KMs. These are my 'correct' units.

[Enormous]

I prefer to use attoparsecs and Kelvin. Where's my setting?!

BTW, never ask me for directions.

[PhillJones]

Since this seems to have confused the Americans so terribly , I'll add my support to the OP. It's true that in Britain the vast majority of people measure distance in Miles and Temperature in Centigrade, which is another word for Celcius.

Since Sage can download both, I guess it shouldn't be impossible to have it download both sets of untis and allow the user to set distance and temperature settings independantly.

[bcjenkins]

Hopefully not an ignorant question, but can't you scrape from weather.com and convert to the users preference using a simple formula in java?

B

http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemi...scales_en.html

[PhillJones]

Originally Posted by bcjenkins

Hopefully not an ignorant question, but can't you scrape from weather.com and convert to the users preference using a simple formula in java?

B

http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemi...scales_en.html

For completeness,

there are 1.609344 km in a mile if that's any help to anybody.

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by zz5

The correct units to use are Fahrenheit and Miles. If anyone is using other units, that is kind of strange.

I can't decide if you're making a joke here or are really this ignorant! Hopefully the former...

Originally Posted by doc

I like miles and celcius, that is until the temperature gets to above 65F, above that it has to be fahrenheit, otherwise I have no idea how hot its going to be.
Thats the problem for us 60's kids, born too late to be old fasioned (english) but too early to be modern (metric).

Are you sure it wasn't the 40s? Because I was born in the 60s and I wouldn't know what's what in Fahrenheit because I've never used it...

Originally Posted by bcjenkins

Hopefully not an ignorant question, but can't you scrape from weather.com and convert to the users preference using a simple formula in java?

Sounds like a plan to me, I'm sure it would be easy to handle in the default STV. Don't you think, Andy? Eh?

Maybe not...

[Yalbik]

Originally Posted by zz5

Now I don't know exactly what is going on here, but it sounds like some people are trying to get the units changed or something. You need to leave the units alone. The correct units to use are Fahrenheit and Miles. If anyone is using other units, that is kind of strange. In fact, if there was going to be a change, the choices could be changed to the "Correct" units and "Other" units. When you chose "Other", you'd go to another screen where they let you choose these other specials units if you want. Seriously, though, you should be using Fahrenheit and Miles. Just leave this setting alone.

No, no no. The correct settings should be:

Backwards Cavepeople: Farenheit and Miles
Those Crazy Brits: Centigrade and Miles
The Rest of the Known Universe: Celsius and Kilometres

[hoadie]

Originally Posted by rickgillyon

Are you sure it wasn't the 40s? Because I was born in the 60s and I wouldn't know what's what in Fahrenheit because I've never used it...

When I was in London in 2005 I noticed that some weather presenters on TV would state both verbally, however on the weather map it was only in celsius.

The only temp that gets mentioned here in Farenheit is the magical 100 degrees. Which means it's hot apparently.

[parkimar]

Just for the hell of it.

Defined in 1954 at the 10th General Conference of Weights and Measures, temperature on the Celsius scale is the temperature on the Kelvin scale minus 273.15. This definition makes values on the Celsius and centigrade scale agree within less than 0.1 degree. For everyday purposes, the scales are identical.

I have lived in the US for the last 2 years now, but my recollection is that not only weather is in celcuis, but I was never taught in centigrade, only celcius.

The miles thing is purely economic, the cost of changing every sign in the UK that has distance on it is probably the main barrier to the acceptance of KM.
In school I was taught metric not imperial.

Cheers

Mark

[doc]

Originally Posted by parkimar

Just for the hell of it.
The miles thing is purely economic, the cost of changing every sign in the UK that has distance on it is probably the main barrier to the acceptance of KM.

that is in part true, but also because the unelected EU parliament wants to change everyone over to their way of thinking and get rid of hundreds of years of tradition, and you know how stubborn us brits can be... I better not start ranting or I'll open up another can of worms......


...and on another point, I wasn't born in the 40's, and I don't remember pre-decimal currency, but I do remember that when it gets over 70F its a nice day, which is about 21C if my maths is correct - I have to calculate it each time, I can remember 70 but not 21, it must be short term memory loss

[nielm]

[OT] um, doc, the EU parliament is elected... thats what those European elections that nobody bothers with are for...

For completeness the EU executive branch which actually accepts new EU directives -- the council of ministers -- is not directly elected, but consists of the ministers of all the national governments which are themselves directly elected. Finally new EU directives are only made into national laws by national parliaments.

So if you want to complain about a stupid new EU law, complain about your own government which actually accepted that stupid new EU law, and then for popularity reasons blames it on the EU bogeyman "oh, but we have no choice: the EU says we have to do it" is no excuse, because they are the EU. sorry, thats one of my pet hates.

Back on topic, For those who what to use DegC and Miles, you can change the displayed values using Studio:

First set weather units to metric to get degC and km/h.

Then start Studio (CTRL-SHIFT-F12), and do Edit->Find All and search for:

java_lang_String_replaceAll(Wind," +","\n")

This should select a single line. Press F3 and replace the contents with:

java_lang_String_replaceAll(Wind," +.*","\n")+NumberFormat("0.0",java_lang_String_replaceAll(Wind,"[^ ]* +([0-9]+).*","$1")/1.609344)+"mph"

This then converts all km/h wind values to mph.

For the visibilty value (thanks rickgillyon), you need to similarly change

Visibility = tv_sage_weather_WeatherDotCom_getCurrentCondition(WeatherInstance, "curr_visibility")

to

Visibility = NumberFormat("0.0",java_lang_String_replaceAll(tv_sage_weather_WeatherDotCom_getCurrentCondition(WeatherInstance, "curr_visibility"),"km","\n")/1.609344)+" miles"

Check it works, File-Save As, and enjoy :-)
tested in 6.1, probably OK for v6

[hoadie]

Originally Posted by doc

that is in part true, but also because the unelected EU parliament wants to change everyone over to their way of thinking and get rid of hundreds of years of tradition, and you know how stubborn us brits can be... I better not start ranting or I'll open up another can of worms......


...and on another point, I wasn't born in the 40's, and I don't remember pre-decimal currency, but I do remember that when it gets over 70F its a nice day, which is about 21C if my maths is correct - I have to calculate it each time, I can remember 70 but not 21, it must be short term memory loss

Other countries have changed to kms, it's not a big deal. Most of your cars have speedos in km and miles so that's one less issue. Signage changes while initially expensive better for all in the long run - better to bite the bullet early(ish) otherwise it gets even more difficult over time.