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[xjim1]

I"m running 9.1.7 and would like to back to 9.1.5. Can I just run the installer over the newer version (assuming I backup my wiz and property files)?

[xjim1]

Or can I have multiple versions installed ?
Thanks for any help.

[jusjoken]

I would not recommend multiple versions as they will share the same registry and system files but it likely would work.

Installing an older version over a new version could also work but the simplest is to backup the folder for protection and then just uninstall the newer version and the. install the older one.

The installer never touches wiz.bin nor property files.

It would also be good to know why you want to move to an older version.

k

[xjim1]

Ever since upgrading to V9 this past summer, I've been playing a game of virtual whack-a-mole; fixing one problem only to see a new one crop up. I'm running an old box, and trying to squeeze as much life out of it as possible, as it will be awhile before I'm able to upgrade.

In the meantime, I'm trying to make the best of my situation. The latest, and most severe issue, is that I can no longer watch live TV if a recording is scheduled, unless I'm watching on the same channel as the scheduled recording (Sage will not change the channel, even though I answered "yes" when prompted).

I think this started after a hardware failure, during which I also upgraded to the latest version of Sage. I want to go back to 9.1.5 and see if this cures that specific issue.

If I go the de-install route, would I have to start with version 7? Can't remember the reason for doing that when I went from V6.

Thanks for the help.

[jusjoken]

The only reason for using v7 first is to retain mpeg decoder that sage came with. If you are on other than win 10 you dont need that and on win 10 or any windows version you can install LAV filters.

But i would first try the STV from version 9.1.5 while using version 9.1.7 as perhaps the new stv is causing the issue. If you have a 9.1.5 install copy the sagetv7.xml from under the stv folder subfolders and name it something different and then in sage go to detailed setup, advanced, and select the older stv and try it out.

k

[xjim1]

Originally Posted by jusjoken

The only reason for using v7 first is to retain mpeg decoder that sage came with. If you are on other than win 10 you dont need that and on win 10 or any windows version you can install LAV filters.

But i would first try the STV from version 9.1.5 while using version 9.1.7 as perhaps the new stv is causing the issue. If you have a 9.1.5 install copy the sagetv7.xml from under the stv folder subfolders and name it something different and then in sage go to detailed setup, advanced, and select the older stv and try it out.

k

Yes, I do have the 9.1.5 kit, but no separate installation of it. The .exe does not appear to be a cab file that I can extract it. Any other way to pull it out without an install (assuming I understand you correctly)?

[xjim1]

Assuming that's not a choice, can I bypass the V7 install step if I simply backup the mpegdecoder folder before I uninstall V9? I do want to have the option of using that decoder.

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by xjim1

Yes, I do have the 9.1.5 kit, but no separate installation of it. The .exe does not appear to be a cab file that I can extract it. Any other way to pull it out without an install (assuming I understand you correctly)?

Try this link to the github version prior to the 9.1.7 changes. You need to right click the download button and select save link....

link...

k

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by xjim1

Assuming that's not a choice, can I bypass the V7 install step if I simply backup the mpegdecoder folder before I uninstall V9? I do want to have the option of using that decoder.

No... the install registers dlls etc so if you go the install route you need v7 first. Now an uninstall of 9.1.7 may not remove all the old v7 stuff so it might work but more risky.

k

[xjim1]

Ok, saved the xml link you provided, put it into a new subfolder and loaded it, but no difference.

I also notice that even changing the intended favorite recording to a manual recording doesn't make a difference.

Is the xml link you provided a 9.1.5 file? I skipped 9.1.6 when I upgraded to 9.1.7.

[jusjoken]

It would have been from 9.1.6 but the stv did not change between.5 and .6 so if you saw no difference then this was not your issue.

I am out of suggestions although i don't really think going back to 9.1.5 would resolve what you are seeing but as long as you backup before doing so you can't hurt much

k

[xjim1]

Originally Posted by jusjoken

It would have been from 9.1.6 but the stv did not change between.5 and .6 so if you saw no difference then this was not your issue.

I am out of suggestions although i don't really think going back to 9.1.5 would resolve what you are seeing but as long as you backup before doing so you can't hurt much

k

Well, it appears the 915 xml didn't take, as I just went back into setup and shows the 917 xml UI as active. Reloading the 915 kicks me out of setup. Looking at system information seems to verify that I'm still using the 9.1.7 STV.

While I never specifically tested it, I know I've watched live tv in the past and it didn't interfere with scheduled recordings (it's a pretty common activity). This started recently, and the software upgrade is my suspect.

I have another thread which contains a log file during an incident, but there doesn't appear to be any interest.

I appreciate your time in helping out and I welcome any other suggestions.

[jusjoken]

Here is a link to a zip with the 9.1.5 stv included.

try that and report back.

k

[xjim1]

ok that took. I've got back to back recordings scheduled (single tuner) for the next several hours, so probably tomorrow before I have any results.

Cheers

[xjim1]

I found a half hour window to test and no luck. I will test some more later, but doesn't look good.

I don't know if the V3 plugin would make a difference, but I'll give it a try.

[jusjoken]

I doubt its related to the STV then. If i was to guess i would think its hardware related on your tuner as its behaving like you only have a single tuner but that's only a guess. I also doubt a full install of 9.1.5 would resolve it but might be worth a try.

Sorry i couldn't help more.

k

[xjim1]

I may have not explained the problem well enough. I posted this thread originally:
https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65168

My system is a single tuner. And Sage will change channels as long as live TV watching isn't conflicting with the scheduled program.

One thing I just tested. If the scheduled program is a manual recording, it will change the channel.

Ex: I'm watching a live tv program which runs from 5-6pm on channel 13..
A recording is scheduled at 5:30 on channel 21. If the scheduled recording is a favorite, it doesn't record. The live tv program continues recording. If the 5:30 program is a manual, Sage will change the channel and record it.

I'm going back to 9.1.5. If it works I'll post here.

Thanks.

[JustFred]

Originally Posted by xjim1

If the scheduled program is a manual recording, it will change the channel.

Ex: I'm watching a live tv program which runs from 5-6pm on channel 13..
A recording is scheduled at 5:30 on channel 21. If the scheduled recording is a favorite, it doesn't record. The live tv program continues recording. If the 5:30 program is a manual, Sage will change the channel and record it.

Any chance that the Fav isn't getting recorded NOW because Sage subsequently discovers the program could be recorded at a later time ?

[xjim1]

Originally Posted by JustFred

Any chance that the Fav isn't getting recorded NOW because Sage subsequently discovers the program could be recorded at a later time ?

I know what you're talking about, but no. As a matter of fact, the failed favorite still shows the "F" label, as if it's supposed to record. No system message either.

And to clarify a little further, the live TV show I'd be watching is not a favorite or otherwise scheduled recording.

I don't suppose you'd be willing in looking at the log file in my other thread?

[JustFred]

Originally Posted by xjim1

And to clarify a little further, the live TV show I'd be watching is not a favorite or otherwise scheduled recording.

That would have been my next guess. And I looked at the log in your other thread, but nothing jumps out.

It appears that you've done a good job of reducing this issue to a pretty simple test case. Since he's already offered (in one of the threads you linked to), it's probably time to reach out to Narflex/Jeff, the master of scheduler vudu.