New V9 install went braindead on recordings.

[Shaw]

Originally Posted by BobPhoenix

I think the Windows 7/8/8.1 drivers will load in Windows 10 but you would have to keep Windows from updating them - which might be hard with Windows 10 based on gossip I've heard. Only have my Laptop on 10 currently so not much experience with it yet. Hate the 8/8.1 at work wish they would get 10 seems nicer to me so far. Other than the forced updates. Have tried a few things to stop that and seems to have worked but not 100% sure it hasn't updated on me when I wasn't looking.

If you have win10 pro... you can get it set into admin mode where an administrator who manages your devices has to do the install. I had that set for about a year, and not a single windows update came down the pipe. It was nice, having a stable-set htpc (you dont want things updating on you then all manner of junk happens!).

But I disabled it, and then had about a gig of updates to run through haha.

As for the win8/8.1 drivers, seems that link heads off to avermedia, then dies, and I cannot find the card in their downloads section. I'll poke around some more.

[BobPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Shaw

If you have win10 pro... you can get it set into admin mode where an administrator who manages your devices has to do the install. I had that set for about a year, and not a single windows update came down the pipe. It was nice, having a stable-set htpc (you dont want things updating on you then all manner of junk happens!).

But I disabled it, and then had about a gig of updates to run through haha.

As for the win8/8.1 drivers, seems that link heads off to avermedia, then dies, and I cannot find the card in their downloads section. I'll poke around some more.

Well that is disgusting on the link.

I put mine into metered mode so that Windows thinks it is on a pay per minute connection and doesn't download items. But I'm not entirely convinced it is working. I guess I'm just used to Windows 7 displaying that downloads are available but not actually downloading them.

[Shaw]

Originally Posted by BobPhoenix

I put mine into metered mode so that Windows thinks it is on a pay per minute connection and doesn't download items. But I'm not entirely convinced it is working. I guess I'm just used to Windows 7 displaying that downloads are available but not actually downloading them.

Yes, I much prefer how my Win7 machine (game rig) handles updates. Even though I do keep it up-to-date... I like being given a list of whats going to happen, and to do it when I can/want too. Not auto-doing in the middle of me doing something (or worse, if sagetv was recording something!).

Ive read about the metered thing too... it should work, but unsure if it 'really does'.

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I put the machine in no-sleep mode now, and will monitor the avermedia card for a week, and see if it flakes out. It seemed to NOT flake out over the last few days, so unsure if its finally got itself sorted, or its just luck of the draw. I couldn't really find any newer drivers, and worried installing 'xp' drivers would cause more troubles than its worth.

If all else fails, I take that further above advice of just buying a HDHR device, and mothball the avermedia finally after all these years of service.

[Shaw]

Well, a few weeks now with the machine set to NOT SLEEP... and I've not seen a single issue with the AVerMedia card going missing.

I'm going to do this win10 annoying update it wants to do (that new big creators revision), then go another week without sleeping to see if things are stable. Then I'll switch back on the nightly sleep event, and see what happens.

I did have the whole machine get shut off last week during a power blip while I was out of town... but it was mainly due to the CyberPower UPS simply shutting OFF instead of switching to battery. Then that darn thing heated up like a firecracker and by the time I got home a day later... the thing was so hot I could barely wrestle it.

Ended up buying a new APC UPS to replace it. Different topic lol, derail alert!

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by Shaw

I did have the whole machine get shut off last week during a power blip while I was out of town... but it was mainly due to the CyberPower UPS simply shutting OFF instead of switching to battery. Then that darn thing heated up like a firecracker and by the time I got home a day later... the thing was so hot I could barely wrestle it.

Ended up buying a new APC UPS to replace it. Different topic lol, derail alert!

I just replace the batteries in my APCs every 2-3 years. You can find a place local that will sell you the proper batteries at WAY less than the original manufacturer's replacement batteries.
The only time I buy new ones is if I need to upgrade the capacity of the unit or the actual unit dies and not just the batteries wearing out.

[Shaw]

Yeah, I like APC a bit more. It was a nightmare finding batteries for the CP unit before.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Shaw

Yeah, I like APC a bit more. It was a nightmare finding batteries for the CP unit before.

I can't imagine there's much variance in the actual batteries used in UPS's. I don't think any UPS company actually makes their own batteries - though they all would gladly slap their own sticker on them and sell them to you for an inflated price.

[BobPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I can't imagine there's much variance in the actual batteries used in UPS's. I don't think any UPS company actually makes their own batteries - though they all would gladly slap their own sticker on them and sell them to you for an inflated price.

APC has several different types of batteries and while many can be used in multiple units - not all. You have types like my first one that takes two batteries that are almost square in shape. Another model has rectangular batteries. Some other models only have a single cell. Some have two or more. My first APC UPS even had an external unit that looked the same but would plug into the original to give it twice the capacity. Never had a smart model or a rack model would imagine they are quite different as well.

So I can see it being hard to find a specific model let alone between manufacturers.

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by BobPhoenix

APC has several different types of batteries and while many can be used in multiple units - not all. You have types like my first one that takes two batteries that are almost square in shape. Another model has rectangular batteries. Some other models only have a single cell. Some have two or more. My first APC UPS even had an external unit that looked the same but would plug into the original to give it twice the capacity. Never had a smart model or a rack model would imagine they are quite different as well.

So I can see it being hard to find a specific model let alone between manufacturers.

I've used many different models of APC units. Single battery and dual battery. In all cases I've encountered so far all the dual batteries are just same/similar batteries as the single units but connected together.
The older models just had a piece of double sided sticky tape holding the two batteries together with jumpers to make the proper connection between the batteries. Many of the newer models use a plastic frame to hold the dual batteries.
Take out the old batteries, note the volt and amp hours as well as the dimensions of each battery. For the most part there is a standard dimension for the batteries.
Whenever economically feasible I put in replacement batteries with higher amp hours. That increases the run time a bit when the power goes out.

I have a battery distributor about 15 miles from my house and they have a small office/storefront. I've been buying my replacements there for years. Buy the generic batteries and use the old connectors from my APC. Half the price and I've never had an issue with their batteries. I get the same life out of them I have gotten with replacements directly from APC. Bonus is that they also take the old batteries for recycling at not charge if you buy the replacements there.

If you go on Amazon and search "apc RBC" you'll see pretty much the whole family of APC batteries. You'll see the singles, double side by side with the sticky tape holding them together (I just use a wrap of duct tape on my generic ones I get from the battery shop), and the newer ones where the dual batteries are laying on their side with the terminals facing each other. There is a plastic frame between the batteries which make the proper connections between the 2 batteries as well as the blade connector that connects the APC when you slide the battery pack in. Do a search for your specific replacement model (RBCxxx) and you'll see ones labeled APC and then more generic ones from other companies, usually about half the APC price although APC has gotten somewhat better than they used to be.

But I know what you mean, and I went through the same thing before I started using the local battery shop. If you could wait you would see a brand new APC of the same VA as your old one on sale for the same or less than buying replacement batteries directly from APC.

I've got an APC 750 as well as a BX1300 LCD and multiple BR1500 LCDs. All using replacements from the battery store. Some are on their 2nd replacements as they are over 8 years old.

I also did the same thing with the battery backup/noise reducer on my home theater. Just opened the case and looked at the specs on the battery and bought a replacement. Next time that one needs a new battery I'll be putting two in hooked up the same way APC hooks up their double batteries. That will pretty much double my power outage run time.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by BobPhoenix

APC has several different types of batteries and while many can be used in multiple units - not all. You have types like my first one that takes two batteries that are almost square in shape. Another model has rectangular batteries. Some other models only have a single cell. Some have two or more. My first APC UPS even had an external unit that looked the same but would plug into the original to give it twice the capacity. Never had a smart model or a rack model would imagine they are quite different as well.

So I can see it being hard to find a specific model let alone between manufacturers.

I was not saying that all UPS's use the SAME battery. I was saying that they are in no way proprietary. Most are standard sealed lead acid batteries that can be had from any battery supply store.

[wayner]

I have had various UPS' and they tend to use very standard lead acid batteries in a few different sizes. You can generally get cheaper replacements on Amazon that seem to work fine - they are probably all coming from China any how.

I like to have as many extenders as possible on UPS' as it can be problematic if lots of them turn on after a power flash and they all connect to your SageTV server. More than 3-4 simultaneously connected miniclients can cause problems unless you are using SageTV for Linux and are using larger than a 1GB JVM heap size.

[BobPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I was not saying that all UPS's use the SAME battery. I was saying that they are in no way proprietary. Most are standard sealed lead acid batteries that can be had from any battery supply store.

OK.