USB-UIRT on 64 bit Windows systems?

[tvmaster2]

Do the USB-UIRT devices work on 64 bit Windows systems? I seem to remember reading here that they don't, but can't find the link now.
Thanks

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

Do the USB-UIRT devices work on 64 bit Windows systems? I seem to remember reading here that they don't, but can't find the link now.
Thanks

It works all my PC Clients they are Windows 10 64 Bit... and I use the usb-uirt.

64 Bit Drivers.
http://usbuirt.com/support.htm

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

It works all my PC Clients they are Windows 10 64 Bit... and I use the usb-uirt.

64 Bit Drivers.
http://usbuirt.com/support.htm

cool, thanks. Trying to decide between 32 Bit and Firewire channel changing (currently using and it works very well), or making the next build 64bit and using one of these.

[drvnbysound]

When I had HD-PVRs setup, I was using the USB-UIRT with Win7 x64 without any issues. Haven't had them setup in a while now, and should really sell all of that hardware...

[wayner]

It is firewire that is a no-go with 64 bit Windows, although apparently that is not an issue with 64 bit Linux. But Firewire is getting harder to find in mobos or PCIe cards.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by wayner

It is firewire that is a no-go with 64 bit Windows, although apparently that is not an issue with 64 bit Linux. But Firewire is getting harder to find in mobos or PCIe cards.

my cable set top has 1394, and it's just fast and reliable. I have two Hauppauge tuners bringing in different sources, so only one IR device will work (without USB-UIRT).
So, that being the case, would you go 64 bit and use USB-UIRT, or stay 32 bit and use one Firewire, one IR device?

[wayner]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

my cable set top has 1394, and it's just fast and reliable. I have two Hauppauge tuners bringing in different sources, so only one IR device will work (without USB-UIRT).
So, that being the case, would you go 64 bit and use USB-UIRT, or stay 32 bit and use one Firewire, one IR device?

I am going 64 bit Linux for the 64 bit JVM. Then I will have the option of firewire, if I can get it going, or USB-UIRT which can tune three STBs. My first choice is firewire because it is higher up on the geek cred scale.

I am not sure how many STBs with HD-PVRs that I will attach to my new server. I have been running with two, plus OTA tuners, for years and rarely have conflicts so I may stay with that and keep a tuner on my backup SageTV server. I have owned the STBs for years so there isn't a monthly fee, although some of my old SA3250HDs have started dying on me.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

my cable set top has 1394, and it's just fast and reliable.

I am assuming you are on Rogers Cable as well - what boxes do you use? 3250HDs, 4250HDs or something newer?

I always wished that they would sell off their returned 3250HDs cheaply as they don't have HDMI so most people hate them, but they are perfect if you only need the Component output.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by wayner

I am assuming you are on Rogers Cable as well - what boxes do you use? 3250HDs, 4250HDs or something newer?

I always wished that they would sell off their returned 3250HDs cheaply as they don't have HDMI so most people hate them, but they are perfect if you only need the Component output.

The firewire box is a cisco 4742HDC, not rogers
it feeds a HD-PVR, and a satellite receiver feeds a Colossus card.
There may be a way to use two, Hauppauge IR transmitters independently on one server, but I haven't figured it out if there is...

[wayner]

I never bothered trying to use even one Hauppauge IR blaster since I heard that there were issues with it so I went straight to firewire and I also had a USB-UIRT that I used to use for an analog cable box to record kids' shows before the kids channels went HD. I now have a second USB-UIRT for my backup server.

[Wrx4me]

Originally Posted by wayner

I never bothered trying to use even one Hauppauge IR blaster since I heard that there were issues with it so I went straight to firewire and I also had a USB-UIRT that I used to use for an analog cable box to record kids' shows before the kids channels went HD. I now have a second USB-UIRT for my backup server.

I read in your other post where you are considering using UnRAID. Bear in mind unRAID does not support Firewire out of the box so it cannot passthrough to your Sage Server VM.

I had Firewire on my Win32 Sage server until I upgraded to an Ubuntu VM in UnRAID last November and had to ditch my reliable Firewire. The USB-UIRT has been very reliable as well but a bit slower than Firewire channel changing.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Wrx4me

I read in your other post where you are considering using UnRAID. Bear in mind unRAID does not support Firewire out of the box so it cannot passthrough to your Sage Server VM.

I had Firewire on my Win32 Sage server until I upgraded to an Ubuntu VM in UnRAID last November and had to ditch my reliable Firewire. The USB-UIRT has been very reliable as well but a bit slower than Firewire channel changing.

It looks like some people have it working in Ubuntu VMs - https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=10

[Wrx4me]

Originally Posted by wayner

It looks like some people have it working in Ubuntu VMs - https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=10

Interesting...I'll have to find out what version of unRAID he is running as I have Sage on a full Ubuntu VM within my unRAID server, but I get no passthrough for my Firewire card.
On second thoughts I have to confirm what I have because it may be that my Firewire card is PCIE and not PCI hence the issue.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Wrx4me

Interesting...I'll have to find out what version of unRAID he is running as I have Sage on a full Ubuntu VM within my unRAID server, but I get no passthrough for my Firewire card.
On second thoughts I have to confirm what I have because it may be that my Firewire card is PCIE and not PCI hence the issue.

'PCI passthrough' works just the same with PCIe as it does with PCI. It should pass through a PCIe firewire card just fine, but might depend on your motherboard.

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

'PCI passthrough' works just the same with PCIe as it does with PCI. It should pass through a PCIe firewire card just fine, but might depend on your motherboard.

Adding to this, PCI-e should have a much higher chance of being able to be successfully passed through into a VM than a PCI device. However all of this depends on your motherboard and ensuring the processor that you have selected supports IOMMU (AMD) or VT-d (Intel). If you don't already have one purchased, any motherboard that you're considering purchasing, do a fair amount of searching to see if it plays well with PCI-e passthrough.

[Wrx4me]

Thanks for the info guys.

I do have a PCI firewire card I will look into why it is not being passed through just like my HDPVR and USB-UIRT. My unRAID platform should be fine as the system info shows the following:

M/B: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. - Z97-HD3
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz
HVM: Enabled
IOMMU: Enabled

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Wrx4me

Thanks for the info guys.

I do have a PCI firewire card I will look into why it is not being passed through just like my HDPVR and USB-UIRT. My unRAID platform should be fine as the system info shows the following:

M/B: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. - Z97-HD3
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz
HVM: Enabled
IOMMU: Enabled

The motherboard you're using likely is using a PCI-e bridge for PCI. I don't know of any Haswell chipsets with native PCI support. You'll need to pass the entire bridge into the VM to see your PCI card in there. PCI can't be broken up because it's a shared bus; it's unlikely the motherboard manufacturer provided multiple bridges. Also VT-d usually needs to be enabled in the BIOS.

The other two peripherals you're mentioning are USB devices. You don't need VT-d to pass those into a VM. The way those are passed through is different and not hardware dependent.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Wrx4me

Thanks for the info guys.

I do have a PCI firewire card I will look into why it is not being passed through just like my HDPVR and USB-UIRT. My unRAID platform should be fine as the system info shows the following:

M/B: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. - Z97-HD3
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz
HVM: Enabled
IOMMU: Enabled

from the unRAID terminal, run lspci, and post up the results - it's usually relatively clear how things are laid out on the motherboard by looking at the addresses.

[Wrx4me]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

from the unRAID terminal, run lspci, and post up the results - it's usually relatively clear how things are laid out on the motherboard by looking at the addresses.

Here is the result from lspci

Linux 4.4.30-unRAID.
root@unraid:~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 06)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Controller
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family ME Interface #1
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI Controller #2
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev d0)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev d0)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev d0)
00:1c.6 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 7 (rev d0)
00:1c.7 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 8 (rev d0)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI Controller #1
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family Z97 LPC Controller
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family SATA Controller [AHCI Mode]
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
03:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 41)
04:00.0 USB controller: NEC Corporation OHCI USB Controller (rev 43)
04:00.1 USB controller: NEC Corporation OHCI USB Controller (rev 43)
04:00.2 USB controller: NEC Corporation uPD72010x USB 2.0 Controller (rev 04)
04:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller (rev 46)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection
06:00.0 SATA controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1062 Serial ATA Controller (rev 01)
root@unraid:~#

[Wrx4me]

Originally Posted by EnterNoEscape

The motherboard you're using likely is using a PCI-e bridge for PCI. I don't know of any Haswell chipsets with native PCI support. You'll need to pass the entire bridge into the VM to see your PCI card in there. PCI can't be broken up because it's a shared bus; it's unlikely the motherboard manufacturer provided multiple bridges. Also VT-d usually needs to be enabled in the BIOS.

The other two peripherals you're mentioning are USB devices. You don't need VT-d to pass those into a VM. The way those are passed through is different and not hardware dependent.

That makes sense, thanks for the explanation!