Just in case- Alternatives to SageTV

[kkelley929]

I plan on continuing to use my two HD300s at primary locations. I had planned on purchasing a few more to stream Comcast to secondary locations like my back deck. However, due to the undcertainty and heaver cost I'm not interested in investing anything new in Sage TV.

In those secondary locations, I don't really need anything but the ability to stream an HD cable signal and want to see the premium stuff like ESPN and History etc...

Is there a way to do this similar to SageTV? I would really like to have a box like the HD300 as I can't see putting an HTPC or Xbox on the deck or in the garage.

Thx!

[darcilicious]

Originally Posted by stevech

Google ads... I must be the exception to the rule. I cannot recall ever buying something that began by seeing an ad on a web page sidebar.

Google has ads? Oh, right... I guess you all know about various ad-blocking software for browsers?? Or no? Might be worth checking out

[Homebuilder]

When AOL bought netscape, firefox was born. Many of the people in the sage community helped build sage.

While they could not just use the old software and resell without copywrite issues, they could start a new program and offer it for free.

Or just update the old software via hacks.

I always thought that it should be easy to develop a hack to glean program scheduling from a windows MCE and import it into sage, or another program.


With free Programing data courtesy of MCE sage could live on for ever. Or almost forever with community support.

Saying that, I am hopeful Google will offer sage as google tv, and allow all sage users a free upgrade.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Homebuilder

When AOL bought netscape, firefox was born. Many of the people in the sage community helped build sage.

While they could not just use the old software and resell without copywrite issues, they could start a new program and offer it for free.

Or just update the old software via hacks.

I always thought that it should be easy to develop a hack to glean program scheduling from a windows MCE and import it into sage, or another program.


With free Programing data courtesy of MCE sage could live on for ever. Or almost forever with community support.

Saying that, I am hopeful Google will offer sage as google tv, and allow all sage users a free upgrade.

That's already done. MC2XML uses MCE guide data, and puts it into an XMLTV file, which sagetv can then import.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by Homebuilder

When AOL bought netscape, firefox was born. Many of the people in the sage community helped build sage.

While they could not just use the old software and resell without copywrite issues, they could start a new program and offer it for free.

Not really the same thing, plugin developers and such never had access to the core of the application, just to what was exposed... It's kinda like asking an interior decorator to build a new house...

[Homebuilder]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

That's already done. MC2XML uses MCE guide data, and puts it into an XMLTV file, which sagetv can then import.

Is there a guide for that somewhere? Thanks

[Fuzzy]

I'm sure there is. SageTV only ever provided data for US and Canada, so pretty much everyone else in the world had to do it via XMLTV.

[hoep]

Originally Posted by Homebuilder

Is there a guide for that somewhere? Thanks

i would recommend to use the tools from lmgestion (there is a free and a donators version) - works very stable and reliable for me since years.
nplayer posted a short guide how to install here: http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56561

[mlewis]

Originally Posted by stevech

Google ads... I must be the exception to the rule. I cannot recall ever buying something that began by seeing an ad on a web page sidebar.

I buy because I search out something then find the best deal.

Perhaps but you've more than likely clicked on plenty of ads even if you didn't buy. That ad cost someone money and made google money.

Google created a perfect circular business that pays for some, not for most and fills the Internet with garbage sites trying to make ad money. Countless copies of the same junk, over and over again to find a unique instance of something.

For someone trying to get a site or service off the ground, Google has created this monster where you have few options to get anything marketed on the Internet unless you're willing to spend plenty of money.

Sure, there is a return but the majority of it is to google. Free, nope, it's going to cost everyone one of us who sees the Internet as a wonderful resource as it sinks deeper into the hands of only those who can afford it. Especially as laws change making it harder and harder for anyone to even fire up a web site without red tape.

Then we see big companies buying all all innovation so they can own it, control it, get rid of it. It's just becoming so frustrating. A handful of companies will rule everything soon and all innovation will be (unless it mainly already is) with thought in mind to sell to one of these big companies.

Like I said, wrong thread of course.

[tmiranda]

[QUOTE=mlewis;515832]Then we see big companies buying all all innovation so they can own it, control it, get rid of it. It's just becoming so frustrating. A handful of companies will rule everything soon and all innovation will be (unless it mainly already is) with thought in mind to sell to one of these big companies./QUOTE]

And then along comes some clever people with a new idea that nobody saw coming and puts the big companies out of business or makes them change their business models drastically. Then these clever people suddenly become the big company that everybody hates until the cycle begins again.

This is how (and why) capitalism works.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

And then along comes some clever people with a new idea that nobody saw coming and puts the big companies out of business or makes them change their business models drastically. Then these clever people suddenly become the big company that everybody hates until the cycle begins again.

This is how (and why) capitalism works.

Y'know.. like google... It's a good system, has been, and will continue to be, as long as it is allowed to operating like this. Be careful what you wish for by begrudging google's success. It's those type of complaints that makes the government think it's in the peoples interest to interfere with the natural process - which then screws everything up.

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

It's those type of complaints that makes the government think it's in the peoples interest to interfere with the natural process - which then screws everything up.

My point exactly. I'm tired of successful business (and people) being vilified and regulated "to level the playingfield" or "to protect the consumer". It only took one trip to the USSR (circa late 1980's) for me to realize the Capitalist devil you know is much better than the Socialist devil you don't.

Sorry to take this OT but it's a pet peeve of mine.

[mlewis]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Y'know.. like google... It's a good system, has been, and will continue to be, as long as it is allowed to operating like this. Be careful what you wish for by begrudging google's success. It's those type of complaints that makes the government think it's in the peoples interest to interfere with the natural process - which then screws everything up.

You misunderstand, I don't begrudge the success, I'm all for earning success and capitalism. What I am saying is that their ideas have adverse effects on the Internet overall. I guess some don't notice it but you will once it hits you.

[Fuzzy]

Depends on what you think the internet is for. If you feel the purpose of the internet is to promote small businesses, then yes, I can see the current situation unfortunate. However, if you feel the internet is to collect and share a repository of information, then it is a good thing. Small business will always suffer in larger markets, and the internet is the largest market.

At least google hasn't really interfered in the Rule 34 companies - which is really the most important use of the internet.

[mlewis]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Depends on what you think the internet is for. If you feel the purpose of the internet is to promote small businesses, then yes, I can see the current situation unfortunate. However, if you feel the internet is to collect and share a repository of information, then it is a good thing. Small business will always suffer in larger markets, and the internet is the largest market.

At least google hasn't really interfered in the Rule 34 companies - which is really the most important use of the internet.

'at least' er, ya, at least. This really requires it's own thread. I didn't intend to hijack this one but it's one of my pet peeves, as someone else mentioned also.

Even though Google does good things, it is also the cause of a lot of negative changes to the Internet. You can dream on that it has not done so but eventually everyone will see that it has. Those at the top know damn well what they are doing because they have come to have the resources to do so. It's a long term process.
All I wish is that they would do it to make money sure, but to honestly make sure that big business doesn't stop innovation. I know it has a lot of good programs but it also is the cause of a heck of a lot of bad things.

Another tiny example is do a search on the net, pretty much anything. The return will be countless and I mean COUNTLESS garbage sites trying to make google money, all of them copies of the same bloody stuff over and over again. You have to weed through this nonsense of crap to actually find relevant information. They all copy the same information over and over again trying to earn a few pennies while making it more and more difficult to find information. Sure I know google has it's policies and so on but they are directly responsible for the garbage. That is just one small example.

As I said, there is no problem with capitalism but when you have resources such as google, you need to be very careful about what you create.

The point is that when the Internet started becoming known more by the general public in the early 90's, it didn't take long become one could see how commercialization was coming in at a fast pace. So be it, that's cool, nothing wrong with finding ways of making money. Early on, the innovation on the internet was insane. My own company went gangbusters inventing new technologies and bringing it all to the people. It was so energetic.

Aside from ruining the net thanks to it's advertising schemes, the other problem isn't google related but big business related. Big business keeps buying up innovation along with blocking innovation through legal means.
That energy is different now, it is more purpose driven then driven by love of technology.

I love google, I think it is the coolest company, I love when they stick it in the mans face by making things free or cheaper. I hope they continue to do that and force companies to lower the ridiculous prices on various things that are going sky high and becoming unfordable to the masses. Everything being excessively expensive or blocked by legal means simply stunts humanity from getting anywhere. If we were not so freaking money only driven, we probably would have technology that is 100 years from now. It's 100 years from now not because it can't be done right now but because big business doles it out, getting the last drop out of every little thing they give us. That suck folks.

What ever, this could go on and on and this is my last post. No matter what anyone says, there are always others who will say otherwise until it hits them at home then they will change their tune. Of course, google owns these forums too so I wonder how many pro-google replies there are... google employees, moderators, personas?

No idea, don't care, done with this thread. It's not about arguing folks, it's only observation, wondering, curious, nervous about our future, tired of watching way cool technology getting bought up and mothballed so they can dole it out after we've bought all of the upgrades, addons and everything else possible before they tell us 'yours is ancient, time to upgrade'.

Please, don't bother arguing with me, just give some though to what I'm saying, just consider that while most of what I'm saying might be wrong or somewhat true or dead on, doesn't matter. All that matters is how it affects ALL OF US.

Later folks.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by mlewis

Another tiny example is do a search on the net, pretty much anything. The return will be countless and I mean COUNTLESS garbage sites trying to make google money, all of them copies of the same bloody stuff over and over again. You have to weed through this nonsense of crap to actually find relevant information. They all copy the same information over and over again trying to earn a few pennies while making it more and more difficult to find information. Sure I know google has it's policies and so on but they are directly responsible for the garbage. That is just one small example.

I guess I haven't noticed that. What I have noticed is pretty much any other search engine I've tried sucks compared to google, while google has an uncanny, sorta scary sometimes, way of putting exactly what I was looking for at the top of the results.

That said, I'm not terribly thrilled with the amount of power google has, but what you going to do...

[Fuzzy]

I too, have never had to 'wade through a bunch of garbage' to get what i want from google. I'm not sure I've ever gone to a second page on a google search before.

[teesee150]

MediaPortal 1.2.0 Final was just released today. Anybody else going to try it out? Seems like it has really improved over the old version and fixed most of the complaints I have seen in the past about it.

* merged *

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by teesee150

MediaPortal 1.2.0 Final was just released today. Anybody else going to try it out? Seems like it has really improved over the old version and fixed most of the complaints I have seen in the past about it.

* merged *

How's the DVR scheduling/recording capabilities?

[toricred]

I must be stupid, but I can't figure out where to set up the guide for directv.