Verizon Droid - Any chance for an extender?

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by Protoman

Fonceur: That will be an AWESOME app! I can't wait to start trying it out.

Well, you can see more screenshots at:

http://talluscorp.com/mediawiki/inde...TV_Application

Currently it can control a Client/Extender, but as far as getting full list of upcoming recordings and such, I'm not there yet. I'll need to add some "JSON serialization" to SageTCPServer, instead of the XML one, as there is no native XML parser for java, and the ones I've seen seem a bit bloated for my taste...

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

Well, you can see more screenshots at:

http://talluscorp.com/mediawiki/inde...TV_Application

Currently it can control a Client/Extender, but as far as getting full list of upcoming recordings and such, I'm not there yet. I'll need to add some "JSON serialization" to SageTCPServer, instead of the XML one, as there is no native XML parser for java, and the ones I've seen seem a bit bloated for my taste...

Slightly OT... You can check out the sage remote apis.... it includes a complete autogenerated api for sagetv, including serializers for xml, neilm_xml, and json/jsonp.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by brewston

Just got an android phone too. I spoke with one of the phone geeks at work - whilst android has Java, its not J2ME - so he said you can't just drop jar files in there and expect them to run (recall that the placeshifter GUI is controlled by miniclient.jar) Thats before you start looking at video rendering which would require a recompile of mplayer.

I'm not saying its impossible, but I think it requires a little effort on Sage's part for an official placeshifter version

Tim

I don't think a mplayer would be required. I'm pretty sure the Android API's have media playback built in. It's more a matter of working with those to stream from the server's Transcoder. Honestly, I could care less about having the full STV features on the phone. I'd just like the ability to view the recordings list and guide, and choose something, then use the placeshifter streaming controls to get transcoded playback, with seek capability (which the VLC implementation in teh web server omits).

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by stuckless

Slightly OT... You can check out the sage remote apis.... it includes a complete autogenerated api for sagetv, including serializers for xml, neilm_xml, and json/jsonp.

If I was starting from scratch, chances are that it would be easier with that... But going from text/xml to text/xml/json isn't too bad...

[gloups]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

Well, you can see more screenshots at:

http://talluscorp.com/mediawiki/inde...TV_Application

Currently it can control a Client/Extender, but as far as getting full list of upcoming recordings and such, I'm not there yet. I'll need to add some "JSON serialization" to SageTCPServer, instead of the XML one, as there is no native XML parser for java, and the ones I've seen seem a bit bloated for my taste...

Cool ! Very nice. No way to have this application on iPhone / iPod touch ?
Great job anyway.

Jp.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by gloups

Cool ! Very nice. No way to have this application on iPhone / iPod touch ?

I don't have a Mac, so can't really easily develop for it, sorry.

I have some initial JSON parsing working, so now I need to display the results in a listview and such...

[gloups]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

I don't have a Mac, so can't really easily develop for it, sorry.

I have some initial JSON parsing working, so now I need to display the results in a listview and such...

If your project is written in Java, it is possible to have it ? Or may be it is a closed source project. I am interesting to make a first try, just to see how it could be on iPhone.

Thanks,
Jp.

[jreichen]

Originally Posted by gloups

If your project is written in Java, it is possible to have it ? Or may be it is a closed source project. I am interesting to make a first try, just to see how it could be on iPhone.

Thanks,
Jp.

The iPhone doesn't run Java. Native apps have to be written with Apple's SDK in the Objective C language. Before you can publish to the app store you have to pay Apple $100 to be a member of their developer program. For various reasons (e.g. time and money) those were enough to keep me from trying it and I wrote the mobile web interface instead. If those don't stop you then go for it! Many people would love to have an iPhone Placeshifter and would be willing to pay for it.

[clip]

I would guess that a lot of us would be willing to jail break our iphones in order to install a SageTV-capable app. I don't code Apple yet, but it sounds like a fun project.

[gloups]

Originally Posted by jreichen

The iPhone doesn't run Java. Native apps have to be written with Apple's SDK in the Objective C language. Before you can publish to the app store you have to pay Apple $100 to be a member of their developer program. For various reasons (e.g. time and money) those were enough to keep me from trying it and I wrote the mobile web interface instead.

I agree with that. Time (not java, new language and new SDK to learn) and money ($100).

I'm the CTO of a company we provide a Eclipse plugin (iSpectrum) to program in Java iPhone / iPod touch apps. No need to jailbreak your iPhone for that. You just need a Mac to install the official apple SDK, and our plugin. From January 2010, annyone could have a free ($0) license of iSpectrum for Open Source project. See http://www.flexycore.com for more details.

Anyway, I don't know if I could have the time to obtain a very nice iPhone apps, but if I could have a Java source code to start with, I could try to write a first shot.

Jp.

[jreichen]

Very interesting. Thanks for plugging your software It kind of sounds like some of the things that Google is doing with GWT and Android as far as allowing the developer to write Java code but then compile it in a different way. This will probably generate a new discussion all by itself and we're getting off the topic of this thread so you might want to create a thread just for your software.

And for those interested in Droid development, I posted some thoughts over on the iPhone thread about video streaming you might want to read. The devices require different video formats but there's no reason to write separate transcoding and streaming code for both.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by gloups

If your project is written in Java, it is possible to have it ? Or may be it is a closed source project.

The messaging part itself (SageTCPServer) is open source, as is the CQC driver (both linked in my signature)... But the Android application isn't, sorry. I know that the Tallus owner could use an iPhone/iPod developer with some spare time, so I guess you could always try to contact him...

As for the application itself, it is now populating some of the lists (Recordings, Upcoming, Favorites, Video files) and displaying minimum info... I could probably use a beta tester with an actual Android phone. So if someone feels comfortable manually installing and Android application (check the link on the wiki), send me a pm with an email address where I can send you the TASageTV.apk file...

[Fonceur]

Would compiling for Android 1.5 be a problem, or are some phones still stuck with 1.1? I know that targeting 1.6 or 2.0 might be a problem, as demonstrated by a Canadian provider having their "new offer" with a Samsung running 1.5, but I'd imagine by now that 1.1 devices have mostly been updated/replaced...

[Slipshod]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

Would compiling for Android 1.5 be a problem, or are some phones still stuck with 1.1? I know that targeting 1.6 or 2.0 might be a problem, as demonstrated by a Canadian provider having their "new offer" with a Samsung running 1.5, but I'd imagine by now that 1.1 devices have mostly been updated/replaced...

1.1 is basically irrelevant now, so don't bother targeting it. Google recently released installed OS stats, and they make it pretty clear:

http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html

What's really interesting is that the 2.0 and 2.0.1 devices are all Moto Droids. That little phone is on a rocketship trajectory in Android land, considering it's only been out a month.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by Slipshod

1.1 is basically irrelevant now

Thanks for that link, indeed with 0.3% of the last 2 weeks access of The Market, there's no point limiting to it.

What's really interesting is that the 2.0 and 2.0.1 devices are all Moto Droids. That little phone is on a rocketship trajectory in Android land, considering it's only been out a month.

Of course that's because people with new phones are much more likely to visit The Market than someone who's had one for 2 years, but that does give a good overview anyway...

[Slipshod]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

Of course that's because people with new phones are much more likely to visit The Market than someone who's had one for 2 years, but that does give a good overview anyway...

Wouldn't the phone's automatic check for updated applications trigger this reading?

[Fonceur]

The beta testing has been opened to the public... Make sure to read the "Known issues", before reporting more, as not everything is implemented/completed yet... The wiki also includes updated images:

http://talluscorp.com/mediawiki/inde...TV_Application

[MitchSchaft]

Ouch, how much are you charging for it?

[Brent]

Is place-shifting a possibility in the future? I'd pay for that for sure... If I had an android phone that is.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by MitchSchaft

Ouch, how much are you charging for it?

It has not been decided or implemented yet... It's not like there will be thousands of users, where some free ad supported app would work... What would be a good price for it?

Originally Posted by Brent

Is place-shifting a possibility in the future? I'd pay for that for sure... If I had an android phone that is.

While it's not excluded, that is a whole different beast and currently I have no idea how I could do it...