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Old 10-16-2009, 10:09 AM
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Network Paths and Available Disk Space Calculation

Is there an option to omit network paths from Sage's Disk Space calculations? It's misleading; just because you have a network share folder listed under Media Center Import, Sage assumes it can use ALL the space of whatever drive that folder is on and counts that as "available," which is not always the case.

In my situation, the network share is just one folder on a big drive that holds tons of other non-video things, so I don't want Sage thinking that whole drive is available for video content. I realize a workaround is to just not have network volumes that aren't dedicated to Sage, but it would be nice just to have Sage not assume that available space on network shares is always "available" for media.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:19 AM
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You can assign how much space you want sage to use from each recording folder when you choose them.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:23 AM
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You can tell Sage to either leave a certain amount free or only use a certain amount when you add the folders (default STV; page 147 of the manual). Personally, I have 1GB of space set aside as unusable by Sage because I want space available for backups, music, movie rips, pictures, etc.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:29 AM
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I realize you can do that with recording directories, however all of my recording directories are local disks, and I DO want Sage to count all that space and use it.

My problem is that I have some network directories listed as "Media Center Import Directories", and Sage is also adding in whatever drive space these network drives have, even though all of that space is NOT available to Sage for recording nor is it dedicated to media.

Maybe my real request is that Sage's disk calculations only take into consideration the paths listed under Recording Directories. Sage can't use space I haven't explicitly told it that it can record to and therefore should only tell me what's truly available for it to write to.

We almost need two values:
1.) "Media Center Space" (which includes free space on import directory drives, although still would like some way to limit how much Sage thinks it can use)
2.) "Sage Recording Space" (which only includes free space on the recording directories)

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Old 10-16-2009, 10:31 AM
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I have not seen this. It should not be including Import folders in drive space calculations. if it is, you should contact support as that seems to be a bug.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:07 AM
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Are you using WHS by any chance? Because, in that case, the drive pool is all a single drive, no matter how many shared folders you have, so Sage would be looking at the entire drive pool as usable space.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:08 AM
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Mystery Extra Space

Nope, just standard Windows XP.

I think something is definitely getting it messed up now. As a test, I removed all the import directories and rebooted. I have unmapped all network drives.

I have 3 drives dedicated to Sage. They currently are using 983GB and have 2853GB free, giving a total of 3836GB.

Sage tells me I'm using 1003GB leaving 3064GB free, which totals 4067GB.

Somehow, Sage can see an extra 230GB that doesn't even exist. Where is it getting this extra space from??


::Edit::
To try and simplify things even more, I removed my newest drive from the recording directory since it hasn't had anything recorded on it yet. Details now look like this:

Disk space: Used Free Total
What I see: 941 102 1043
Sage sees: 1003 109 1112

Sage is still somehow showing an extra 69GB more than exists. I am thoroughly confused.

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Old 10-16-2009, 11:59 AM
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2853 * 1024^3 = 3,063,385,423,872

It's just a difference in the definition of 1 GB. Different tools are reported the numbers differently depending on which definition they use.
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:13 PM
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2853 * 1024^3 = 3,063,385,423,872

It's just a difference in the definition of 1 GB. Different tools are reported the numbers differently depending on which definition they use.
Not following...

Whose numbers would use something other than 1024^3? I've seen 1000^3 used before, but I don't think either Sage or Windows would report like that. Even if they did, I would be able to confirm that pretty easily by converting it. If you look at the my second example, the difference in "used" doesn't seem to be reconciled just by multiplying out differently.

Also, if it were just a case of multiplication difference, I would expect Sage to proportionally show more GB across the board. In this case, it's showing more GB used and more GB total, but about the same GB Available.

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Old 10-16-2009, 01:08 PM
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Whose numbers would use something other than 1024^3? I've seen 1000^3 used before, but I don't think either Sage or Windows would report like that.
Disk manufacturers routinely use the 1000^3 definition, and so does SageTV's System Information screen. Applying this conversion to your last table, I get the following:

Disk space: Used Free Total
What I see: 941 102 1043
Converted: 1010 109 1120
Sage sees: 1003 109 1112

The difference between the converted value and what Sage sees is less than 1% in all cases. Some of this discrepancy can perhaps be accounted for by the difference between actual file size and allocated file size. If Sage is simply adding up the actual file sizes, it won't account for the unused bytes at the end of the last allocated cluster. There are also system structures on every volume that Windows counts as Used but that won't show up in Sage's sum-of-all-file-sizes calculation.

The bottom line is that there's no single standardized way of calculatiing these quantities, and the differences you're seeing are well within the margin of error of the various methods.
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:46 PM
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I see it now. When I converted Sage's numbers, I apparently wasn't going all the way down to bytes and back.

I wish we could all settle on the same multiplier already...

Anyway, thanks for your help.
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