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Old 04-25-2007, 10:37 PM
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I am so confused... :-(

Hi all.
I have finally been able to take the plunge and install SageTV on my server.
As it stands, i have it setup as a local system. No networking of any kind just yet.
Here are my problems :
1 - I have setup my tuners properly as far as i know. They both manage to do a channel scan ok. However, only one tuner works when viewing live tv. The other one just gives me " NO SIGNAL". Both tuners have the same channel mapping.

2 - When watching LiveTV, i select " Record This Show ". There is no notification that the show is recording. After about 30 seconds, I select " Cancel this recording " but there is nothing in " SageTV Recordings ".

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Old 04-25-2007, 11:34 PM
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1 - I have setup my tuners properly as far as i know. They both manage to do a channel scan ok. However, only one tuner works when viewing live tv. The other one just gives me " NO SIGNAL". Both tuners have the same channel mapping.
What tuners & so on?

BTW: If you have multiple tuners using the same channel lineup, they share all settings for that lineup, so enabling/disabling channels in the lineup affects both tuners. Are both your tuners the same?

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2 - When watching LiveTV, i select " Record This Show ". There is no notification that the show is recording. After about 30 seconds, I select " Cancel this recording " but there is nothing in " SageTV Recordings ".
SageTV always records. Recording a show you are watching live simply means that you are making it a Manual Recording to be kept when the show is over. Cancelling the recording returns it to plain old live TV.... which is still recorded while you are watching it.

Again: the Quick Start Guide section of chapter 2 in the PDF manual covers some of the basics that you'll probably want to know.

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Old 04-25-2007, 11:37 PM
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Many new users expect Sage to work like a VCR, i.e. it doesn't start recording until you say Record, and then if you say Stop, you end up with a partial recording. But that's not how it works. As Andy said, it always records, and the choice offered by the Record command is whether you want to keep the recording or not.

There are third-party add-ons that modify this behavior in various ways, but I'll leave it to their authors describe how they work.
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:49 PM
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What tuners & so on?

BTW: If you have multiple tuners using the same channel lineup, they share all settings for that lineup, so enabling/disabling channels in the lineup affects both tuners. Are both your tuners the same?

SageTV always records. Recording a show you are watching live simply means that you are making it a Manual Recording to be kept when the show is over. Cancelling the recording returns it to plain old live TV.... which is still recorded while you are watching it.

Again: the Quick Start Guide section of chapter 2 in the PDF manual covers some of the basics that you'll probably want to know.

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Thanks Andy,
But i am convinced there is something wrong.
- I am using Nova-T 500 MCE ( dual ) tuner.
- When watching LiveTV, i can see the recording created. When i stop LiveTV, the recording is sometimes deleted and other times they just keep on pilling up.
- Sometimes, the whole thing freezez up for a while and all of a sudden everything speeds up as if it needs to catch up..

I have IR disabled. Server disabled.
Sometimes, i can record a show for about 30secs, stop LiveTV and the show is visible in SageTV Recordings, but then dissapears for no reason even though it is still in the recording folder... Doesn't make sense.

My system specs:
Athlon 3000+
1 Gig DDR400 ram
WinXP MCE SP2 and all available updates
ATI x300 PCIe video card
1 x 2610SA SATA Raid card with 2TB Raid 5 array
1 x 2610SA SATA Raid card with 1.5TB Raid 5 array
1 x 120Gig SATA Drive
550 Watt PSU
Hauppauge Nova-T-500MCE Dual Tuner card

Like i said, i can scan channels with both tuners. But if i record with one tuner, the other one will not let me watch another channel... it just says no signal.

anyway, i might go back to MCE for now.. :-(
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:58 PM
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- I am using Nova-T 500 MCE ( dual ) tuner.
I can't help with that tuner... maybe someone else can, or else contact SageTV tech support.

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- When watching LiveTV, i can see the recording created. When i stop LiveTV, the recording is sometimes deleted and other times they just keep on pilling up.

I have IR disabled. Server disabled.
Sometimes, i can record a show for about 30secs, stop LiveTV and the show is visible in SageTV Recordings, but then dissapears for no reason even though it is still in the recording folder... Doesn't make sense.
It does if you check out the section of chapter 2 that I've pointed you to, and then also check the comments about cleaning up live TV in Appendix C: "Automatic Cleanup of Live TV". Live TV is deleted fairly soon when IR is off, but there are no hard rules to document regarding exactly when that will happen.

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Old 04-26-2007, 12:10 AM
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I'm not familiar with the Hauppauge Nova-T-500MCE Dual Tuner card, but I do know Hauppauge usually bundles their WinTV software or some other TV watching software with their cards. It's usually recommended here that you first get that working correctly. If you can't, that should help narrow the problem. In the past, their WinTV software did not support the second tuner on a dual tuner card, but I would hope that by now, they are shipping something fully compatible with your card.

If Hauppauge software or some other TV watching software works perfectly on both tuners, then someone else here will have to help you. Don't give up yet.
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:12 AM
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I can't help with that tuner... maybe someone else can, or else contact SageTV tech support.

It does if you check out the section of chapter 2 that I've pointed you to, and then also check the comments about cleaning up live TV in Appendix C: "Automatic Cleanup of Live TV". Live TV is deleted fairly soon when IR is off, but there are no hard rules to document regarding exactly when that will happen.

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Thanks again Andy, but i have read the quick guide.

Here is the scenario.. maybe i am not explaining it properly:
- When i start LiveTV, it starts recording... I can see the file being created in the recording directory. So far so good.
- I then proceed to " Record this show " and i let it run for about 30secs.
- Then, i click on " Cancel this recording ".
But, when i exit LiveTV, the recording is still present in the recording directory, but it doesn't show in " SageTV Recordings ".
Does that make sense ?

Also, when you start a manual recording, there is no indication that you are actually recording...

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Old 04-26-2007, 12:15 AM
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I'm not familiar with the Hauppauge Nova-T-500MCE Dual Tuner card, but I do know Hauppauge usually bundles their WinTV software or some other TV watching software with their cards. It's usually recommended here that you first get that working correctly. If you can't, that should help narrow the problem. In the past, their WinTV software did not support the second tuner on a dual tuner card, but I would hope that by now, they are shipping something fully compatible with your card.

If Hauppauge software or some other TV watching software works perfectly on both tuners, then someone else here will have to help you. Don't give up yet.
Thanks Rob.. The tuners works fine under MCE. It didn't come with any WinTV software.. just a driver disk.
Anyway, i will try a couple of single tuners to see if it helps.. Are you familiar with the Avermedia A180 tuners ?

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Old 04-26-2007, 12:21 AM
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For the tuner, check with these people. At least one person said they got it to work.

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- When i start LiveTV, it starts recording... I can see the file being created in the recording directory. So far so good.
- I then proceed to " Record this show " and i let it run for about 30secs.
- Then, i click on " Cancel this recording ".
But, when i exit LiveTV, the recording is still present in the recording directory, but it doesn't show in " SageTV Recordings ".
Does that make sense ?
Yes. You've cancelled the Manual Recording status and stopped recording the live TV show. It is now an incomplete live TV recording that is no longer in progress, so it isn't shown in the list of recordings. It will be deleted at some point in the near future.

When you chose to mark it as a Manual Recording, it was simply tagged that way; nothing changed about the recording itself. The OSD will show a red outline around it & the recordings list will mark it accordingly also. When you cleared the MR status, it goes back to just being live TV... an unscheduled recording.

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Old 04-26-2007, 12:26 AM
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Are you familiar with the Avermedia A180 tuners ?
Sorry, not personally. Others here use them, with few complaints. By hearsay only, I believe they are considered a good but not great HD tuner. Hopefully, others with first-hand experience will advise.
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:34 AM
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For the tuner, check with these people. At least one person said they got it to work.

Yes. You've cancelled the Manual Recording status and stopped recording the live TV show. It is now an incomplete live TV recording that is no longer in progress, so it isn't shown in the list of recordings. It will be deleted at some point in the near future.

When you chose to mark it as a Manual Recording, it was simply tagged that way; nothing changed about the recording itself. The OSD will show a red outline around it & the recordings list will mark it accordingly also. When you cleared the MR status, it goes back to just being live TV... an unscheduled recording.

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So, in a nutshell, if you start a manual recording of a show that has already started, you have to let it record until it is finished ( stops by itself ). Is this correct ?
Otherwise, if you manually stop the recording, it doesn't keep any of it. Basically, you can't manually record "part" of a show..
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:00 AM
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Basically, you can't manually record "part" of a show..
There are ways to capture part of a show, but not the way you're doing it. As explained previously, the Record command is not like a VCR Record button, and the Cancel command is not like a Stop button. Those commands control the scheduling and recording of entire shows, not real-time start-and-stop recording.

If all you want is a short clip, you could use a timed recording to do it. Or you could let Sage record the whole show and edit the clip out later. Or you could check the Downloads section for third-party add-ons that automate some of that.
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:04 AM
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SageTV isn't designed for recording snippets; it is designed to record entire shows. But you can also select the show on another screen, choose Record Options -> Adjust Recording Options -> Adjust Stop Time. If you stop watching it, it will stop recording at the earlier stop time.

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As mentioned by Greg, I have a plugin (multi-function stop) that allows manual recordings to be stopped, and the partial recording kept. (press Stop on playback, or Stop or REC (when show record options is enabled) while highlighting the recording show anywhere in the program lists/guides)

It works by setting the recording options' Stop time to Now (as Andy mentioned above), thus stopping the recording. Because the file is still a manual recording, ir is not hidden/deleted.

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Old 04-26-2007, 02:04 AM
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Ok.. now everything makes sense.

Thank you so much for being patient with me. :-)

I will check out your plugin nielm.

One last thing, if i start a manual recording of a show that has been playing for a few minutes already and let it record until the end, will it also keep the start if i happened to miss the first few minutes ?

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yes -- if you have been watching the show in Sage, it has already recorded the first few minutes to disk.
Setting the Manual Record while watching a show means that you are telling Sage that you want to keep the show.

(Sage does not use circular 'liveTV' buffers like TiVo and most other DVRs)
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Thanks Rob.. The tuners works fine under MCE. It didn't come with any WinTV software.. just a driver disk.
Anyway, i will try a couple of single tuners to see if it helps.. Are you familiar with the Avermedia A180 tuners ?

cheers
I have an A180 card at home, it doesnt work great for OTA HD. I am able to get more channels locked on with the USB tuners. Depending on how far away you are from the towers it could be a good one. I am around 30 miles away with an antenna rated for 25 miles. The Pinnacle USB tuner and Hauppage 950 USB tuners work better.
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Thanks guys... thats great :-)
Awesome support..
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