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[Opus4]

No, that isn't right. Support is just playing games with you. "Less is more" simply means that some fluff that gets in the way of TV viewing is being removed. The next version doesn't have this all done yet, but take this for example:

Currently, when you watch TV, you have to have the tuner card encode the video, store it on the drive, then it gets read from the drive, decoded, and played on your TV.

We want to remove some of those extra steps. The hard drive is a fairly risky intermediate step for your videos. If it fails, you won't see your show. Plus all those extra steps cause a long delay before you can see the show -- sometimes people wait HOURS or even DAYS before watching their favorite shows. What we would like to do is remove the need for the hard drive and some of those other intermediate steps. The updated TV viewing method will be along the lines of: The tuner card receives the broadcast and encodes the video. This encoded video is passed directly to the decoder, bypassing the hard drive for performance and safety reasons. The decoder will then decode and display it for you to view. This still has a short delay, so at some point, the encode/decode process will be removed for instant viewing. In the future you won't even have a hard drive anywhere near your system as it will no longer even be supported, so you'll be able to watch the shows when they are on. Thus: instant gratification with more satisfied users.

- Andy

[dbfresh23]

Man I love this forum... Makes me feel like less of a computer geek!!

[paulbeers]

That is great to hear Opus! And here I was all worried that all my expensive hard drives would blow up thus not allowing me to use Sage. This will be perfect. Having a computer that takes live video and displays it live only is just a huge bonus. It will make me watch tv when I am "supposed to" and watching commercials is good for everyone. Thank you to Sage for taking out the possibility of watching a show at a later date. That is certianly not the point I had when I built my first sage box.

[Enormous]

I think you're all mis-understanding. The rewrite, and subsequent obsolescence of hard drives is due to the fact that SageTV has perfected literal time-shifting. So if you want to watch a show that was shown 5 years ago, just dial it in! No need to to save anything, because if it's already happened in the past (or in v7.0, might happen in the future), then you're good to go!

The only problem has been how to keep the garbage intake for the flux-capacitor from stinking up your theater room...

[Motofreak75]

Originally Posted by Enormous

The only problem has been how to keep the garbage intake for the flux-capacitor from stinking up your theater room...

Its easy, If my calculations are correct just use " I can't beleive its not butter" and that will make slid all the way through to produce 1.21 jigawatts

its sounds like sage is taking some time and actual thinking about making it better for all of us.

Cheers to the dev-o team and pre beta testers out there

[Enormous]

Originally Posted by Motofreak75

just use " I can't beleive its not butter"

That's all well and good, unless you live in Wisconsin, or are a part of the "Dairy Lobby".

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by Enormous

I think you're all mis-understanding. The rewrite, and subsequent obsolescence of hard drives is due to the fact that SageTV has perfected literal time-shifting. So if you want to watch a show that was shown 5 years ago, just dial it in! No need to to save anything, because if it's already happened in the past (or in v7.0, might happen in the future), then you're good to go!

The only problem has been how to keep the garbage intake for the flux-capacitor from stinking up your theater room...

See I did completely misunderstand. Now let me ask you this, why would I want this feature? Like I said, I want something that makes me watch tv in real time when it is happening at the right time. I mean afterall that is why I built my sage server right? So that I am forced to watch shows at 7:00 when they began and I watch all the commercials (no I have no affiliation with any cable/network channel and yes I am kidding)!!!

[MeInMaui]

I have a feature request for v6.0

I almost always have the problem of having to fast forward through tedious and annoying programming to get to the commercials. The only channels that I don't have to do this for are the various shopping networks and a couple of the other networks when they have uninterrupted blocks of 'Paid Programming'. Is there any way that sage could have support built in to the core to reverse the effects of those evil commercial skipping programs so that I can automatically skip the unnecessary programming and jump straight to the commercials? Or better yet could sage have built in program detection and removal, so that I can watch my commercials without all of that extra stuff taking up valuable space? I just can't believe how much programming they shove down our throats between commercials! Thanks in advance.

Aloha,
Mike

[mayamaniac]

joking aside... in older threads, there were many requests for a live TV only tuner, meaning a dedicated tuner just for LiveTV, this is for those that still like to channel surf. Of course, there's no timeshifting or recording involved. And since there's no encoding, channel changing is instant with no lag, and you don't need a hardware encoding tuner card, any cheap software TV tuner card will do.

[AndyS]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

See I did completely misunderstand. Now let me ask you this, why would I want this feature? Like I said, I want something that makes me watch tv in real time when it is happening at the right time. I mean afterall that is why I built my sage server right? So that I am forced to watch shows at 7:00 when they began and I watch all the commercials (no I have no affiliation with any cable/network channel and yes I am kidding)!!!

I was right there with you until you said you were kidding...

Andy.

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by AndyS

I was right there with you until you said you were kidding...

Andy.

I couldn't say that without adding the kidding. It was just too hard, my hand would not let me hit the submit button without letting the world know that I certainly wasn't serious!

P.S. How the heck did this thread go from the "It's Been soo long" to the "absolute rediculous request thread"?!?!?!

P.S.S. Last time I checked, the delay in the live t.v is due to the encoding process. I think it was Tomshardware.com or anandtech.com did a comparison of an ATI All-in-Wonder and a hardware encoder and the channel change was a half second with the all-in-wonder and was almost 2 with the hardware encoder. The only way to do true channel surfing would be to require a software encoder be installed and we all know what that does to our processors!

[rfutscher]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

P.S.S. Last time I checked, the delay in the live t.v is due to the encoding process. I think it was Tomshardware.com or anandtech.com did a comparison of an ATI All-in-Wonder and a hardware encoder and the channel change was a half second with the all-in-wonder and was almost 2 with the hardware encoder. The only way to do true channel surfing would be to require a software encoder be installed and we all know what that does to our processors!

Digital TV tuners have no encoders, hardware or software. The channel lockup problem is there also. No channel surfing on digital channels either.

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by amg

Lets hope there are no Klingons on the dev team. We all know that Klingon software never gets released. It escapes, leaving a bloody trail of developers and QA folk.

Absolutely hilarious!!

I just sent that link to a friend of mine who's a DBA (DataBase Administrator) for one of the bigger insurance co's. I can see that posted on his desk now!

My favorite part of the Klingon Programmer's Code of Honour.......

"Our users shall know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!"

Finally some competition for the Elbonians in Dilbert!!

[AngelofDeth]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

I couldn't say that without adding the kidding. It was just too hard, my hand would not let me hit the submit button without letting the world know that I certainly wasn't serious!

P.S. How the heck did this thread go from the "It's Been soo long" to the "absolute rediculous request thread"?!?!?!

P.S.S. Last time I checked, the delay in the live t.v is due to the encoding process. I think it was Tomshardware.com or anandtech.com did a comparison

Actually, the delay is due to the decoding process for the most part. Channel surfing on any digital system sucks compared to analog cable or satellite.

Re-encoding certainly adds to the delay however, its just slow to begin with...

[stevech]

Originally Posted by AngelofDeth

Channel surfing on any digital system sucks compared to analog cable or satellite.

which is a primary reason I stay with analog cable. WAF is low with slow surfing.

[dbfresh23]

Originally Posted by AngelofDeth

Channel surfing on any digital system sucks compared to analog cable or satellite.

This doesn't really make sense. Both major sat broadcasters are digital, so to say that they and analog cable are faster then "any digital system" doesn't really compute.

[AngelofDeth]

I meant analog cable and analog satellite. You know the 3+ foot dishes that bring in c-band or ku-band. I know most of the analog is long gone, but its still around...

[heffe2001]

Yeah, I guess the 30 second + delay while your dish positioner moves the dish between satellites doesn't affect channel surfing, even on the old Analog channels .

[heffe2001]

This week?? Maybe... Please, purdy please??

Or better yet, I double-dog-dare you guys to release it this week...

Had some terrible time this weekend with my MVP's, apparently they don't like the mpegs that are created by my MyTheatre output (they look horrible, terrible pixelation, etc, but play perfectly fine on my regular PC's). Also had an issue with a corrupt wiz.bin, had to restore the day before's backup.

[Morgan111]

Originally Posted by Morgan111

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