New NVDVD is out...kinda

[tealcomp]

Originally Posted by edgley

Ahh, sorry.
I dont use Sage for DVD.

It should be accessible when playing back any stream; ie Live TV or a recorded program; sorry if I was unclear..

-Dan

[stanger89]

For some reason the properties/settings pannel isn't available when you have Sage explicitly use the nVidia Video Decoder (apparently something to do with how Sage invokes the decoder). To access the page you need to make sure nVidia is the default/preferred decoder, and set Sage to "Default" for video decoder.

As for audio:
You MUST set it to S/PDIF output for DVDs, these decoders will not decode DVD audio outside Dolby Certified applications (WMP, MCE, and TT I believe right now).

You have to go into the audio settings, Speaker Setup, select "a reciever" for the "Connected to..." and then check the box "via an S/PDIF cable"

See below

[kny3twalker]

For some reason the properties/settings pannel isn't available when you have Sage explicitly use the nVidia Video Decoder (apparently something to do with how Sage invokes the decoder). To access the page you need to make sure nVidia is the default/preferred decoder, and set Sage to "Default" for video decoder.

funny I get the icon whether post processor, default or nvidia decoder

[stanger89]

Yeah, with this version I get it too, but I can't get the properties panel up if I have "NVidia Video Decoder" selected in Sage.

[kny3twalker]

yup that better than crashing SageTV though

NVVPP consists of 2 varients...

1) hardware based vpp

This one works in any app (including MCE) if you have an NVIDIA graphics card and you configure the deinterlace mode to "smart"

2) software based vpp

This one doesn't work in MCE since Microsoft hasn't enabled this mode, but it does work in ZP, TT, etc.

copied from AVS and nvidia mulitmedia post

is this true?
I thought using the NvVPP and choosing smart was hardware VPP
and .....
well not sure what to think
any thoughts on this

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

yup that better than crashing SageTV though


copied from AVS and nvidia mulitmedia post

is this true?

I'm 99.99% sure of that.

Read this post carefully:

NVVPP consists of 2 varients...

1) hardware based vpp

This one works in any app (including MCE) if you have an NVIDIA graphics card and you configure the deinterlace mode to "smart"

2) software based vpp

This one doesn't work in MCE since Microsoft hasn't enabled this mode, but it does work in ZP, TT, etc.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...61#post4532961

I thought using the NvVPP and choosing smart was hardware VPP

Just like ffdshow, as soon as you throw another filter in the graph, you get dropped out of DXVA mode. Next time you run with the VPP filter, open up the filter properties and you should see "Software Mode YUY2" (YUY2 could be different) as the decoding mode/format.

[kny3twalker]

but you cannot use hardware post processing in windows MCE

1) hardware based vpp

This one works in any app (including MCE) if you have an NVIDIA graphics card and you configure the deinterlace mode to "smart"

because just choosing smart does not enable the NvVPP

so using NvVPP and smart mode in SageTV is not using hardware assisting post processing?

[mc2wheels]

I don't get it. I have a 6600GT, with smart deinterlacing turned on, but it still says software VPP. I am not using any other filter. I just don't get it.

Also, I think it's pretty lame that with this new codec, I can only play dvds with my receiver hooked up -- I have a sound storm mother board, and all sounds are going through spdif to my receiver, but also through analog out to my TV. This always used to work just fine. Now if I use the nVidia codec, I get no TV analog out. I tried using different sound decoders, but it is the video decoder that is forcing this. Whacky.

[stanger89]

1) What decoder do you have selected in Sage?

2) Back when the 3.0 decoders were in beta, well actually right after TT 2 was announced and it was stated that the 3.0 decoders would be OEM only, and that the 4.0 decoders weren't likely to see the light of day outside of apps like TT, a number of AVS members screamed about it. It turns out that there are some licensing restrictions being placed on the decoders by Dolby, saying that DD decoding can't happen outside Dolby Certified applications. We told NvidiaMultimedia (the nV rep) that we wanted the decoders anyway, even if they were digital output only, and it seems that nVidia listened and gave us a codec.

Think of it what you will, but the choices were locked (S/PDIF only) codec, or no codec at all, take your pick.

As for your specific problem, the Video decoder should have nothing to do with audio, it should work just fine with other audio decoders (which is part of the reason many pushed for a locked decoder, since we've got audio decoders already). I have no idea what is going on there.

[tealcomp]

Originally Posted by stanger89

I'm 99.99% sure of that.

Read this post carefully:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...61#post4532961

Just like ffdshow, as soon as you throw another filter in the graph, you get dropped out of DXVA mode. Next time you run with the VPP filter, open up the filter properties and you should see "Software Mode YUY2" (YUY2 could be different) as the decoding mode/format.

Stanger:

So are you saying that what you will see this "Software Mode YUY2" in the properties EVEN if you have Hardware Decoding (as in my case)? I read through the entire thread but maybe I missed something in the translation.

I have attached the below file from my sage machine; the picture is pretty awesome so I am not complaining; but like everyone else here I want to get the most bang for my hard earned buck LOL..

[stanger89]

Sort of, if you throw the VPP (or any other post processing filter), it it kicks the decoder out of DXVA mode (hence the Software Mode decoder format).

[tealcomp]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Sort of, if you throw the VPP (or any other post processing filter), it it kicks the decoder out of DXVA mode (hence the Software Mode decoder format).

OK, so let me re-word my question; is this what I should expect to be getting; OR is there a way to keep it in Hardware decoding mode, OR do I really care?

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you

-Dan

[stanger89]

If you want it in hardware mode, don't use the "NVidia Video Post Processor" filter. In Sage pick "NVidia Video Decoder" (or "Default" if nV is default).

[tealcomp]

Originally Posted by stanger89

If you want it in hardware mode, don't use the "NVidia Video Post Processor" filter. In Sage pick "NVidia Video Decoder" (or "Default" if nV is default).

Oh, I understand now; sorry on my vacation my brain isnt working

[Ja'Man]

I wonder if it is working the same if you pick NVdvd vs default as the decoder? As stated above, when you pick Nvidia as the decoder, I cant open up the properties of the decoder. But to me it seems different (better!) in that mode. I compared it watching a football game and a recorded HBO show. Im using smart and pixel adaptive btw in default mode. Has one else really done a good comparison of these 2?

This is a quote from this article: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2305&p=4
"PureVideo supposedly takes adaptive per pixel de-interlacing one step further with what they call Spatial-Temporal de-interlacing"

Maybe in Nvidia decoder mode with the new 6x series of cards, it invokes the new de-interlacing, which is why we cant bring up the properties. But if you pick default, it uses the previous "pixel-adaptive" mode only or whatever you set it at instead.

Any comments?

Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!

[k1114]

Just did a fresh install of XP and these drivers flat out don't work. Anyone found a solution to the "no common pins" error yet? Seems to be people talking about it on every major forum!

[tealcomp]

Originally Posted by Ja'Man

I wonder if it is working the same if you pick NVdvd vs default as the decoder? As stated above, when you pick Nvidia as the decoder, I cant open up the properties of the decoder. But to me it seems different (better!) in that mode. I compared it watching a football game and a recorded HBO show. Im using smart and pixel adaptive btw in default mode. Has one else really done a good comparison of these 2?

This is a quote from this article: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2305&p=4
"PureVideo supposedly takes adaptive per pixel de-interlacing one step further with what they call Spatial-Temporal de-interlacing"

Maybe in Nvidia decoder mode with the new 6x series of cards, it invokes the new de-interlacing, which is why we cant bring up the properties. But if you pick default, it uses the previous "pixel-adaptive" mode only or whatever you set it at instead.

Any comments?

Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!

Intereesting to note, I finally changed from Nvidia Post Processor Decoder to Default and I WAS finally able to see the proper settings in the Nvidia Decoder and I could finally set the pixel adaptive mode and man o man did it make a big difference; and I thought that VPP was the way to go...to me the Nvidia Decoder option was superior...From my point of view using the Nvidia Decoder Option vs the DEFAULT Option was not as good until I could set the "Per Pixel Adaptive" mode in the decoder properties panel...

-Dan

[mlbdude]

Originally Posted by tealcomp

Intereesting to note, I changed from Nvidia Decoder to Default and I WAS finally able to see the proper settings in the Nvidia Decoder and I could finally set the pixel adaptive mode and man o man did it make a big difference; and I thought that VPP was the way to go...to me the Nvidia Decoder option was superior...

-Dan

The VPP is really for film content (DVD's). Using the decoder with DXVA will generally alwasy be better for video content (TV recordings).

[stanger89]

Actually you're both right, sort of.

Tealcomp, you are using the VPP still, or I suppose it's more correct to say you're still using the functionality of the VPP. Your 6800, when in DXVA mode, with Smart deinterlace control selected, performs the film detection in hardware.

DXVA mode on my 6800 is the only way I run. You should watch that screen sometime when you're playing a Sage recording, even though it's recorded as video, the decoder will correctly detect much of the recording as film, and it will switch backa nd forth, rather interesting. Reminds me of Dscaler

[mlbdude]

Yeah I mean the software VPP selectable in SageTV. The one in hardware seems to work fine. The software one works great for most DVD's too but can't handle video content for crap .