Renaming / Moving sage recordings

[lewispm]

I recently moved to docker/unraid for Sage, and in the process installed an emby server for a couple roku clients to play the sage recordings.

I pointed emby at the sage recordings folder, but it doesn't pick up the shows, not sure why. I assume its because they are not in folders by show name. I also pointed it at an "imports" folder which does have tv shows by show name, and they are picked up fine.

So I'm sure this has been discussed on here, but I'm having trouble finding the best solution for this.

My goals:
1. All TV shows should be on the same "view" on my HD300 running Sage, ie imports imported as recordings(this is accomplished by Phoenix 3.)
2. Emby should pick up all recordings in both the sage recordings and sage imports folder as tv shows and that "view" should be seamless.

I'm thinking using phoenix-renamer script to just watch my sage tv recordings directory, rename new files, then if successful, fire off a custom mover script to the imports folder in a directory based on the show name. BMT should import the "new" show as a recording back in sage, and emby should pick it up as a tv show, correct?

If I go this route, I see that java is required to run the phoenix renamer script. Is java installed on the unraid server? I'd like to run it under "user-scripts" plugin. If that doesn't work, would I be able to run it under the sagetv docker, since that has java installed? If neither of these work, what is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks!

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by lewispm

I recently moved to docker/unraid for Sage, and in the process installed an emby server for a couple roku clients to play the sage recordings.

I pointed emby at the sage recordings folder, but it doesn't pick up the shows, not sure why. I assume its because they are not in folders by show name. I also pointed it at an "imports" folder which does have tv shows by show name, and they are picked up fine.

So I'm sure this has been discussed on here, but I'm having trouble finding the best solution for this.

My goals:
1. All TV shows should be on the same "view" on my HD300 running Sage, ie imports imported as recordings(this is accomplished by Phoenix 3.)
2. Emby should pick up all recordings in both the sage recordings and sage imports folder as tv shows and that "view" should be seamless.

I'm thinking using phoenix-renamer script to just watch my sage tv recordings directory, rename new files, then if successful, fire off a custom mover script to the imports folder in a directory based on the show name. BMT should import the "new" show as a recording back in sage, and emby should pick it up as a tv show, correct?

If I go this route, I see that java is required to run the phoenix renamer script. Is java installed on the unraid server? I'd like to run it under "user-scripts" plugin. If that doesn't work, would I be able to run it under the sagetv docker, since that has java installed? If neither of these work, what is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks!

java is not installed by unRAID, and I don't think there is a package for it. But, you can either use the sagetv docker container, or create a new phoenix renamer container and have java installed there. I thought about doing this myself, but, just don't have the time

[KarylFStein]

Originally Posted by lewispm

I recently moved to docker/unraid for Sage, and in the process installed an emby server for a couple roku clients to play the sage recordings.

I pointed emby at the sage recordings folder, but it doesn't pick up the shows, not sure why. I assume its because they are not in folders by show name. I also pointed it at an "imports" folder which does have tv shows by show name, and they are picked up fine.

So I'm sure this has been discussed on here, but I'm having trouble finding the best solution for this.

My goals:
1. All TV shows should be on the same "view" on my HD300 running Sage, ie imports imported as recordings(this is accomplished by Phoenix 3.)
2. Emby should pick up all recordings in both the sage recordings and sage imports folder as tv shows and that "view" should be seamless.

I'm thinking using phoenix-renamer script to just watch my sage tv recordings directory, rename new files, then if successful, fire off a custom mover script to the imports folder in a directory based on the show name. BMT should import the "new" show as a recording back in sage, and emby should pick it up as a tv show, correct?

If I go this route, I see that java is required to run the phoenix renamer script. Is java installed on the unraid server? I'd like to run it under "user-scripts" plugin. If that doesn't work, would I be able to run it under the sagetv docker, since that has java installed? If neither of these work, what is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks!

Emby does require renaming to get things picked up nicely. I fought with that for a while a bit ago. From what I remember I was playing around with a SJQ script someone wrote, (in the SJQ v4 thread I believe), Phoenix renamer and MCEBuddy running in a Windows VM. I never got something I really liked working, though, (mostly due to lack of time), and as a quick fix ended up installing a Plex docker alongside Emby. Plex picks up the SageTV recordings fine as long as you turn on extended filenames and have it put season/episode in the name. My kids use that to watch / download shows on their iOS devices. It would be nice if Emby was modified to be able to parse the SageTV names like Plex is able to do, or if SageTV was modified to allow custom naming "templates" for files.

[texneus]

For Emby to pick up SageTV recordings you need to import them as home movies. All recordings then appear by file name. Ya, you loose metadata but you can figure out what each show is by the filename. Not too big of deal, just a bit "sloppy".

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by texneus

For Emby to pick up SageTV recordings you need to import them as home movies. All recordings then appear by file name. Ya, you loose metadata but you can figure out what each show is by the filename. Not too big of deal, just a bit "sloppy".

This is not my experience. Recordings need to be named properly. Allowing spaces in filenames and also letting SageTV insert the season and episode numbers (S01E01) into the filenames are both important.

I started doing this for Plex and have a MUCH better experience. Some day when Plex's DVR becomes more mature with fewer bugs I will be dropping SageTV. It's annoying managing two media organization applications. While SageTV is currently the better DVR Plex is MUCH better at media organization.

[lewispm]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Allowing spaces in filenames and also letting SageTV insert the season and episode numbers (S01E01) into the filenames are both important.

I changed the setting to allow SageTV to insert the season and episode numbers. Is there a setting for allowing spaces, or any other settings that might help?

[lewispm]

Originally Posted by stuckless

java is not installed by unRAID, and I don't think there is a package for it. But, you can either use the sagetv docker container, or create a new phoenix renamer container and have java installed there. I thought about doing this myself, but, just don't have the time

I'm willing to do this, I may dig into building my own docker for this soon.

Would there be any detriment to just adding a script to the sagetv docker? It seems like the best use of resources. If the script is run from the appdata folder it should survive an upgrade, right?

If I do build my own docker container, is there a template I can start with that might help point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by lewispm

I changed the setting to allow SageTV to insert the season and episode numbers. Is there a setting for allowing spaces, or any other settings that might help?

Shut down SageTV, modify your Sage.properties file to set extended_filenames=true, and start it back up.

[lewispm]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Shut down SageTV, modify your Sage.properties file to set extended_filenames=true, and start it back up.

Did it, thanks!

I'm working on a php script now to add spaces to the recordings, then pass them to the phoenix renamer, then move them into their own folders based on show name.

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by lewispm

Did it, thanks!

I'm working on a php script now to add spaces to the recordings, then pass them to the phoenix renamer, then move them into their own folders based on show name.

The phoenix renamer shoudn't need spaces in the names. It can understand CamelCase and the sagetv Airing format.

[texneus]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

This is not my experience. Recordings need to be named properly. Allowing spaces in filenames and also letting SageTV insert the season and episode numbers (S01E01) into the filenames are both important.

If you import as TV or Movies, yes. If you import as Home Videos as I suggested, most definitely the name does not matter. There is no naming convention or season/episode data for home movies.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by texneus

If you import as TV or Movies, yes. If you import as Home Videos as I suggested, most definitely the name does not matter. There is no naming convention or season/episode data for home movies.

Just to be blunt, then what's the point?

[texneus]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Just to be blunt, then what's the point?

Wow, really? I just provided an extremely simple option to the OPs question on how to get SageTV recordings into emby and even thought I was pretty transparent on its limitations. Will it work? Yes. Will it meet the OP's needs? To be blunt, that's not your call.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by texneus

Wow, really? I just provided an extremely simple option to the OPs question on how to get SageTV recordings into emby and even thought I was pretty transparent on its limitations. Will it work? Yes. Will it meet the OP's needs? To be blunt, that's not your call.

I'm sorry, that was rude. But sure, it's a solution but it doesn't produce the results he was originally asking for. The only way to do that is through file renaming and telling SageTV to name new recordings in a specific way. Without renaming it may all be there but it's not going to be organized in any kind of meaningful way. And if you have a family or even multiple people wanting to watch things it's just not going to look appealing to the vast majority of "normal" people.

IMHO, it's better to have things work seamlessly as expected rather than having vastly disparate experiences if you must have separate media platforms.

[lewispm]

Ok, with the "extended filenames" and season/episodes added to the recording name, it appears the only thing emby needs is for each recording to be in its own directory, then it should pick it up, is that correct?

So let me know if this sounds good.

Sage records into a tv-recordings directory as, for example:
60Minutes-S50E49-521704-0.mpg

If I parse out the title as 60Minutes, create a directory called 60Minutes, put a Season 50 directory inside there, and put this file in that directory in a place that is passed to emby, it should pick it up, right?

1. Does emby need spaces (ie 60 Minutes instead of 60Minutes)?
2. Do I need to trim the SageTV info off the end of the file? (521704-0)
3. After moving this file to another directory that sage sees, BMT should pull it back in as a recording, but now I'll have two entries for the same episode. One will fail because I have moved it but not told Sage I did. Is there a command line way to tell Sage to delete a show? (a docker command I can run in the sage docker would be great) Or, will Sage follow a symlink to the new location (that sage can see but doesn't import)?

Thanks!

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by lewispm

Ok, with the "extended filenames" and season/episodes added to the recording name, it appears the only thing emby needs is for each recording to be in its own directory, then it should pick it up, is that correct?

So let me know if this sounds good.

Sage records into a tv-recordings directory as, for example:
60Minutes-S50E49-521704-0.mpg

If I parse out the title as 60Minutes, create a directory called 60Minutes, put a Season 50 directory inside there, and put this file in that directory in a place that is passed to emby, it should pick it up, right?

1. Does emby need spaces (ie 60 Minutes instead of 60Minutes)?
2. Do I need to trim the SageTV info off the end of the file? (521704-0)
3. After moving this file to another directory that sage sees, BMT should pull it back in as a recording, but now I'll have two entries for the same episode. One will fail because I have moved it but not told Sage I did. Is there a command line way to tell Sage to delete a show? (a docker command I can run in the sage docker would be great) Or, will Sage follow a symlink to the new location (that sage can see but doesn't import)?

Thanks!

The naming conventions are here: https://github.com/MediaBrowser/Wiki/wiki/TV%20naming.

It looks like it will support spaces or underscores. But the title needs to have spaces in order to be recognized (e.g. "60 Minutes" rather than "60Minutes"). It also looks, like Plex, that Emby ignores everything after the "SxxExx". So there's no need to remove SageTV's airing ID's.

I'm not certain of the folders. For Plex I have not created any kind of directory structure. All SageTV recordings are in a single folder on my unRAID server. All ripped TV programs are in a separate folder that are split out by title and season.

In SageTV with extended filenames enabled all new recordings will have the appropriate spaces.

Just to test I will briefly install Emby on my unRAID server to verify on my recordings.

[Taddeusz]

Unfortunately, unlike Plex, Emby appears to require TV shows be in a set folder structure (Show->Season xx).

I added both my ripped and recorded shows. Emby picks up my ripped shows fine but does weird stuff with the recordings that are all lumped in a single folder.

[lewispm]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Unfortunately, unlike Plex, Emby appears to require TV shows be in a set folder structure (Show->Season xx).

I added both my ripped and recorded shows. Emby picks up my ripped shows fine but does weird stuff with the recordings that are all lumped in a single folder.

Yes, that's why I began this whole process. It picked up my imports directory tv shows just fine, as they were in folders by show title, but didn't pick up my sage recordings directory without folders.

So I think I'm gonna run the phoenix renamer once on the current Sage recordings directory to get all the files that were recorded prior to me changing those settings renamed. Then I'll use my php script (so I can put it in user-scripts on the unraid server) to move recordings to their own directory on the "imports" directory nightly.

And thanks for the replies! Great info!

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by lewispm

Yes, that's why I began this whole process. It picked up my imports directory tv shows just fine, as they were in folders by show title, but didn't pick up my sage recordings directory without folders.

So I think I'm gonna run the phoenix renamer once on the current Sage recordings directory to get all the files that were recorded prior to me changing those settings renamed. Then I'll use my php script (so I can put it in user-scripts on the unraid server) to move recordings to their own directory on the "imports" directory nightly.

And thanks for the replies! Great info!

Glad I could be of some help.

[lewispm]

The phoenix-renamer fails with this msg:

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/log4j/Layout
	at java.base/java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
	at java.base/java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:374)
	at sagex.phoenix.standalone.JarRunner.main(JarRunner.java:58)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.log4j.Layout
	at java.base/java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:466)
	at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:566)
	at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:499)
	... 3 more

it had a similar log/class error on windows, but it still processed the files. I don't have permissions set correctly on the windows VM to rename the files, but it did go through and try.

Any idea how to fix this on my mac?