Silicon Dust DVR Coming

[7up]

Unless you want mediocre deinterlacing, the only way this is going to work for most Android devices is to transcode to h.264. Whether that happens in the server app, HDTC-2US or a new HDHR Prime with transcoding remains to be seen.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by 7up

Unless you want mediocre deinterlacing, the only way this is going to work for most Android devices is to transcode to h.264. Whether that happens in the server app, HDTC-2US or a new HDHR Prime with transcoding remains to be seen.

Not necessarily as many (mine included) cable providers are now moving channels to h.264.

[KryptoNyte]

Originally Posted by Gustovier

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I wonder how Ceton will respond to this. This will probably not work with their devices (mainly because I think the dvr is built using DLNA and Ceton cards don't expose the video stream via DLNA ...I think)

Is it Windows Media Center (Playready) that allows for viewing of copy-once recordings via Ceton on my system (and Xbox360 extenders)?

[7up]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Not necessarily as many (mine included) cable providers are now moving channels to h.264.

What about all the cable systems that are still using mpeg2 or OTA?

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by 7up

What about all the cable systems that are still using mpeg2 or OTA?

IIrc their ota tuners already do on the fly transcoding...I could be wrong.Most cable systems will switch because of the advantages to them some are just quicker then others. In my area Cox started with only premium movie channels and slowly rolling out others. Either way trans coding on the fly isn't as processor intense as it use to be it gets better and better.(plex is a prime example of it). Of course this is assuming they convert everything to h.264 but I believe you are probably correct they will.

[mayamaniac]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...vr-re-imagined

This is interesting. They claim to support encrypted channels. And the DVR engine can run off popular NAS devices, along with Mac, Windows, Linux machines. Also client app for Mac, Windows, Android, and possibly iOS and Kodi (XBMC).

* merged *

[emveepee]

Originally Posted by 7up

Unless you want mediocre deinterlacing, the only way this is going to work for most Android devices is to transcode to h.264. Whether that happens in the server app, HDTC-2US or a new HDHR Prime with transcoding remains to be seen.

People get this wrong all the time, playing 1080i h264 is still a problem without h/w deinterlacing. The HDTC doesn't help there is no 1080i to 720p mode so you need to cut bandwidth transcoding to the lower Internet streaming modes to de-interlace.

Martin

[gopher]

I did notice on the kickstarter page that it is not currently supporting encrypted content. It's work remaining to be done.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by gopher

I did notice on the kickstarter page that it is not currently supporting encrypted content. It's work remaining to be done.

By encrypted do you mean clear QAM? or Copy Protected ... they are 2 different things?

this is a quote from Nick.
You will be able to record Copy-freely and Copy-Once content.

Goal is to support playback on Windows, Mac, and Android devices for Copy-Once content.

Other clients may be limited to Copy-freely playback depending on the capabilities of the device.

Nick

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Ya I don't know where the idea came from you had to have a tablet or phone to stream that isn't their goal I don't believe.

My assumption was that you needed a tablet, pc, phone, or something to interface with the software. The DVR portion is just like SageTV, just software to interface with the hardware (i.e. their Primes). Since they have no extender you can't interface with it that way as we can with our HD100-300's/PCs.

[jm9843]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

True but allot of the platforms they are hoping to support don't support DCTP-IP. I wish more did. Is there any outside of the Playstation?

The HDHomeRun VIEW app for Android supports it today, and is also compatible with Android TV.

Originally Posted by waynedunham

My assumption was that you needed a tablet, pc, phone, or something to interface with the software. The DVR portion is just like SageTV, just software to interface with the hardware (i.e. their Primes). Since they have no extender you can't interface with it that way as we can with our HD100-300's/PCs.

Android TV is going to be the de facto platform for this. A device like the upcoming Nvidia Shield console will be a phenomenal extender that includes all the over-the-top services (e.g. Netflix, Hulu, etc), universal search (including voice) that deep-link into apps, gaming and more. And they've thoughfully included an i/r receiver for use with universal remotes.

My hope is that we'll also see an open-source SageTV client port to the platform as well.

[gopher]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

By encrypted do you mean clear QAM? or Copy Protected ... they are 2 different things?

Copy Protected. Sorry for the ambiguity.

The kickstarter page indicates that it is a work in progress. Not disputing that their goals.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by waynedunham

My assumption was that you needed a tablet, pc, phone, or something to interface with the software. The DVR portion is just like SageTV, just software to interface with the hardware (i.e. their Primes). Since they have no extender you can't interface with it that way as we can with our HD100-300's/PCs.

I don't think that is correct but I could be wrong. I think their goal is to bring the interface to clients (ie firetv,roku etc). I can't imagine them making a chromecast mistake of requiring interaction with a phone/tablet to play.

[7up]

Originally Posted by emveepee

People get this wrong all the time, playing 1080i h264 is still a problem without h/w deinterlacing. The HDTC doesn't help there is no 1080i to 720p mode so you need to cut bandwidth transcoding to the lower Internet streaming modes to de-interlace.

Martin

Agreed. So are cable systems using h.264 sending 1080i or 1080p? PLUCKYHD?

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by 7up

Agreed. So are cable systems using h.264 sending 1080i or 1080p? PLUCKYHD?

Some 720p some 1080i no 1080p no my cable system that I know of.

[7up]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Some 720p some 1080i no 1080p no my cable system that I know of.

So then perphaps you agree with my original comments about mediocre deinterlacing?

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by 7up

So then perphaps you agree with my original comments about mediocre deinterlacing?

No not really as I think acceptable can be achieved, but yet to be seen if it will. I find my plex and roku do a acceptable job of transcoding, but some probably don't

[reggie14]

Based on what I've seen so far I'm not real confident in Silicon Dust's ability to pull this off well.

In particular, I don't understand how they intend to get around the lack of mpeg2 support on Android and iOS devices. They clearly understand that mpeg2 is still overwhelmingly the format of choice for OTA and cable TV. That's why they're saying they're not going to develop a Roku client.

They have some tuners with transcoders, but the HDHR Prime doesn't transcode.

I'm not sure what this means for Android. But I think the Android app does mpeg2 playback in software, and can only play back standard definition mpeg2 channels. If they intended to support on-the-fly transcoding for Android, then there's no particularly good reason they couldn't do this for Roku.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by reggie14

I'm not sure what this means for Android. But I think the Android app does mpeg2 playback in software, and can only play back standard definition mpeg2 channels. If they intended to support on-the-fly transcoding for Android, then there's no particularly good reason they couldn't do this for Roku.

Fwiw the android app now plays back HD channels on my phone that are mpeg.2

[reggie14]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Fwiw the android app now plays back HD channels on my phone that are mpeg.2

Is it actually watchable? Even on my Droid Turbo I get choppy playback, audio/video cutouts, and AV sync problems on HD channels.