SPEEDHD - two tuners - same Zap2it ID

[tvmaster2]

I have a setop box and satellite. SPEEDHD is available on both (on different channels), and I would like to have both available in the individual channel lineups.

Problem is, the Zap2it ID is identical (58508), as is the name - "SPEEDHD"

Is there a way to change one of the names so that they both can be accessed in the EPG, independently.

I thought I could change the name in "channel lineup / add channel", but since the ID is identical, that's not allowed.

any ideas?

[Slugger]

Why do you want both to show up in the EPG? Presumably they are the same channels. Is the concern that in the Sage EPG, the channel number is only for one of your inputs? If so, don't worry. Even though the channel is for one input, Sage will know which channel it actually has to tune to based on the input it plans to use to record the channel for any specific recording.

Say on sat it's channel 100 and on cable it's channel 333. Your Sage EPG might only list it as channel 100 in the guide, but that's irrelevant. If Sage needs to record that channel and it decides to record it from cable then it knows to tune the cable box to 333 to record that channel. If it needs to record it from sat then it knows to tune to channel 100 to do so.

Really, when you have multiple sources of inputs into Sage (sat, cable and/or OTA), the channel numbers are irrelevant and shouldn't even be displayed by Sage. Actually, I think there is a way to turn off the channel numbers in the STV? If so, you should just do that and forget about it.

[tvmaster2]

ah, forgot to mention that one is Speed U.S. and the other is Speed Canada, and from time to time, they run different programming, but not often. The real advantage is when I want to record off CDN satellite, say a CBC show, I can utilize the U.S. Speed version if I need to record when the CDN satellite is tied up on another channel.
So what you're saying is that Sage would just be smart enough to grab the correct SpeedHD numerical channel and corresponding tuner? Didn't know that

[Slugger]

Well that's different. Really, they should be two different station ids if there are times when they should different programming. In that case, a support request to Sage and/or Z2I should be made to correct the issue.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by Slugger

Well that's different. Really, they should be two different station ids if there are times when they should different programming. In that case, a support request to Sage and/or Z2I should be made to correct the issue.

and....I believe the same scenario exists with CNN HD - Zap2it generates the same ID number for both U.S. and CDN channels. In their world, I imagine no one is likely to be receiving both versions. The Golf Channel HD as well. For some reason, the SD versions may have different ID's than their HD brethren.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by Slugger

Well that's different. Really, they should be two different station ids if there are times when they should different programming. In that case, a support request to Sage and/or Z2I should be made to correct the issue.

here's the reply I got from Zap2it - hmmm....

"Dear Zap2it User,

Thank you for your email. We can understand your concern, however if it is the same channel ID then it is the same channel and therefore the same programming.

Why would you need to record the same shows on the same channel within 2
different lineups? Is there different programming airing on either of those
channels (Speed HD US versus Speed HD Canad)? I do not see that we have a specific Canadian Feed of Speed in our system but if you can provide examples of different programming on at the same time we could see if one can be created.

As for the SD feed, that is the HD feed but stripped of the HD tags, so that is a different channel in our database hence the different channel id.

Please let us know if you can provide further clarification otherwise, you
should only need to record one channel or the other and see the same
programming.

Regards,
The Zap2it Customer Feedback Team
rs"

So, it looks like an uphill battle. I assumed the Canadian version ran enough independant programming to warrant different listings, but now that Formula 1 has been dropped, I wonder if any blackouts will exist on the American channel. Not sure I liked their attitude of "you should only have to record one channel..." - they obvioulsy don't understand the concept of dual-sources, and simultaneous opposing programming....and they're a TV company. No wonder the industries in such a state...lol

[tvmaster2]

Well, someone at Zap2it must be a SageTV user. After explaining the SageTV concflict, the Zap2it team discovered that there WAS actually an independent channel ID (77077) for SpeedHD Canada, and that they hadn't been properly applying it for oh, the last three years (at least on Shaw Direct).

As of today, Zap2it has CORRECTED the problem, and now anyone with both U.S. and Canadian SpeedHD channels in their lineup can access them via independent tuners when conflicts arrise.

Well done, Zap2it. thanks