Screenshots of the upcoming GoogleTV 2.0 look like it uses sageTV technology?

[wayner]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

Feeling pessimistic today? I doubt Google would spend a bunch of money just so they could "screw us". It's just not a good business decision

Actually this is all an evil plot by Brent to screw everyone except for him and the rest of the folks in Kansas City. They will soon get a fantastic new SaGoogle super-duper PVR while the rest of us are getting Sage shut down.

Pure genius!

[Brent]

Bwa ha ha!!!! Gotta love KanGoogleCity!

I don't honestly know what's going on there in GoogleLand, but I agree they are throwing plenty of money at the video thing. I see Google as the "throw spaghetti at the wall" kind of developers. Hopefully they have a plan for all of this. There is a reason they bought SageTV. I just hope they reveal that reason with something solid soon.

On another note, I'm curiously anxious to see what they do with the Google Fiber thing here in Kansas City. I'm hoping to have access to that in the near future.

[sleonard]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

Feeling pessimistic today? I doubt Google would spend a bunch of money just so they could "screw us". It's just not a good business decision

First, let me say that I think that Google and Jeff will eventually release a product that is a combonation of the best features of Sage plus the best potential features of GoogleTV. Hopefully next summer.

Nevertheless, do not doubt that a large company can and will spend a bunch of money to purchase a potential competitor for the sole reason of making it disappear.

S

[tvmaster2]

sadly, the thing that makes Sage so great, i.e. the ability to record and share multiple file formats across an endless network would likely be strictly taboo if Google has any chance of getting content providers on board...so it was fun while it lasted.
Sage will be the metaphorical last "gasoline" car: "...kids...there was a time when files could be shared...it was a dark time..."

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by zoop

http://on.wsj.com/swLmx5

So how is this "screwing us"? If Google offers paid service over the internet for less than the $110 per month I now pay my cable company that's a good thing for me. If they offer an inferior product or charge too much I don't buy it.

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by sleonard

Nevertheless, do not doubt that a large company can and will spend a bunch of money to purchase a potential competitor for the sole reason of making it disappear.

I don't doubt it at all, I just think Sage was way too small to threaten Google. The only sensible reasons for them to have bought Sage was to get talent and/or code that could be reused. There were a number of interviews with Google execs where they said they often do a cost comparison between developing something inhouse vs. buying a company with the technology and/or know-how. IMHO this was why they bough Sage.

Now what they actually end up doing with the talent and code they bought is another story; they may waste it or do something that we don't like, but I doubt they bought Sage just to throw away the code and lock up the talent.

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by sleonard

Nevertheless, do not doubt that a large company can and will spend a bunch of money to purchase a potential competitor for the sole reason of making it disappear.

And don't forget the opposite has happened as well. In the past Intel has given money to AMD to make sure they didn't go out of business and there was a time where Microsoft helped Apple to make sure they did not go out of business. (Obviously they did this so they could make an argument that they were not a monopoly.)

[zoop]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

So how is this "screwing us"? If Google offers paid service over the internet for less than the $110 per month I now pay my cable company that's a good thing for me. If they offer an inferior product or charge too much I don't buy it.

given that google's online content aspirations seem tangental to how sagetv users currently utilize the product, the initial acquisition abruptness and subsequent lengthy quiet period is puzzling. the technology and talent they were after is obvious, but the necessity of the negative community impact is not.

given all that, i honestly just posted that link as it was hot off of wsj's site and seemed relevant to this forum.

/jer

[profit]

With googletv releasing a software update I think it is safe to assume that Sage is dead and the whole way we use Sage will have to change.

Don't you think google will release a new device that interfaces with the cable box or satellite dish and also brings features from google music and others that will allow people to access content anywhere in exchange for giving away all of your personal information so they can sell more advertising?

They don't want a Sage like experience where they can't track what you watch or listen to. It's just my opinion but seeing that announcement shattered any hope that google would release any Sage based extender in the next 6 to 12 months or ever.

Has anyone heard anything different?

* merged *

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by profit

With googletv releasing a software update I think it is safe to assume that Sage is dead and the whole way we use Sage will have to change.

Don't you think google will release a new device that interfaces with the cable box or satellite dish and also brings features from google music and others that will allow people to access content anywhere in exchange for giving away all of your personal information so they can sell more advertising?

They don't want a Sage like experience where they can't track what you watch or listen to. It's just my opinion but seeing that announcement shattered any hope that google would release any Sage based extender in the next 6 to 12 months or ever.

Has anyone heard anything different?

* merged *

ASSume is a funny word...

[tvmaster2]

google is, more than anything, an advertising company. @profit has a very good point

[mistergq]

Originally Posted by profit

With googletv releasing a software update I think it is safe to assume that Sage is dead and the whole way we use Sage will have to change.

Don't you think google will release a new device that interfaces with the cable box or satellite dish and also brings features from google music and others that will allow people to access content anywhere in exchange for giving away all of your personal information so they can sell more advertising?

They don't want a Sage like experience where they can't track what you watch or listen to. It's just my opinion but seeing that announcement shattered any hope that google would release any Sage based extender in the next 6 to 12 months or ever.

Has anyone heard anything different?

* merged *

Its too early to say. They have only owned the code not even 6 months yet. Now after June 2012, you can make this post.

As to sagetv being dead, if your system is working, you are good to go. As long as the parts keep working, I have years before I need to switch.

[Lostinpvr]

With all the news on the net about Google 2.0 it makes me wonder why I don't see much here on what's happening with the old SageTV.
Did they "Google" incorporate anything from sage or is it just that transparent or copied to Android?

Edit:Actually wondering what people are thinking about Google 2.0?

Just wondering as it seemed really quite out there?

* merged *

[iumgrad]

Hey guys, I am not worried about my SageTV and here's why. Currently my system works the way I want it to. If and when my extender dies, I still have two client licenses and two placeshifters. I will just built a silent client machine or two. I have already imaged my base sage server system and have several hauppauge cards (not worried about current system not recognising new equipment) and two HD PVR's I got a great deal on, still sitting in their boxes. The epg data feed currently works, but if need be I can switch to XMLTV or other sources. So unless the powers that be decide to eliminate the ability to record from my cable source, or over-the-air broadcasts. I figure I am good for the next 5 - 10 years. So whatever Google does or doesn't do is basically a non-factor.

So why stress? Google may provide something even better! If not SageTV like my 32inch toshiba BIG TUBE tv will still work.

[fventura]

Originally Posted by iumgrad

I am not worried about my SageTV and here's why. Currently my system works the way I want it to. If and when my extender dies, I still have two client licenses and two placeshifters. I will just built a silent client machine or two...... The epg data feed currently works, but if need be I can switch to XMLTV or other sources.

I am happy with my system 'as is' also but worried about guide data going away. (I only use HD OTA with HDHomeruns). Are there any instructions on the forums here on how to switch to XMLTV or some other source of guide data? If so, I would like to grab the instructions now in case the forums also mysteriously disappear one day.

[wayner]

Guide data won't be an issue - there are some solutions that Slugger and others have worked on. Folks outside of North America have always had to use other sources like XMLTV. Worst case scenario is that we will have to subscribe to Schedules Direct at $25/yr.

[HelenWeathers]

I'm already using the mc2xml plugin for EPG.

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57265

It's getting more and more comprehensive as Slugger toils away on it.

[phelme]

The concept of managing one's media *at home* where SageTV excels, seems anathema to what Google's all about. Which makes me believe this acquisition was more about vision to deliver content, talent (with deep Java experience, which translates to Android) and less about the existing SageTV code base.

Maybe I'm wrong and Google will react to all the negativity from "big media" on their initial product by going the other way: incorporating SageTV's DVR and allowing network based shows to be recorded without any possibility of commercial skipping.

Hopefully we'll have a clue where this is all going by mid-2012.

[emotionnotion]

Seen the specs for Google TV 2

It does not look like SageTV technology is embedded yet.

Anybody had hands on experience and can comment?

* merged *

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by emotionnotion

Seen the specs for Google TV 2

It does not look like SageTV technology is embedded yet.

Anybody had hands on experience and can comment?

* merged *

Nobody ever said it was going to be in any Google TV product.

Gerry