Screenshots of the upcoming GoogleTV 2.0 look like it uses sageTV technology?

[mkanet]

The more I think about it, the more I realize sageTV is headed for a dead end. The only thing that gives me hope for getting good use out of my sageTV setup is that none of the large companies can currently provide a complete list of first-run TV content at full video quality for a monthly price comparable to cableTV/satellite. Even if a company like Google provided same same content that we get from Comcast/DirecTV, we would still be limited by our ISP data caps. To further add to the bandwidth utilization would be cloud-based solutions. Whatever Google decides to do, if it doesn't offer a solution on the Windows platform, I'd be the first to look for a different solution. I dont really think much of their OS.

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by heffneil

They probably won't use anything with it. Just screwing us instead.

Feeling pessimistic today? I doubt Google would spend a bunch of money just so they could "screw us". It's just not a good business decision

[wayner]

I still fail to see how they can integrate the PVR functionality of SageTV into a product that works for the masses and doesn't totally alienate Hollywood. Hollywood doesn't like the "analog hole" that the HD-PVR takes advantage of so that want DRM up the wazoo. But many of us want no part of DRM if it restricts us from our ability to record and watch our content throughout our house.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by wayner

I still fail to see how they can integrate the PVR functionality of SageTV into a product that works for the masses and doesn't totally alienate Hollywood.

Let say they skip the HD-PVR support but provide full CableCard support, with DRM only on files that need it, streamed through AllVid or such... They already have contacts with DishNetwork, so could probably get something similar... DirectTV might not want to get left behind and get on board...

That would probably work out just fine as a mass market option...

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

That would probably work out just fine as a mass market option...

But it would be totally useless for either of us as we live in Canada and can't get a CableCard from Rogers Cable, Videotron, etc.

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by wayner

But it would be totally useless for either of us as we live in Canada and can't get a CableCard from Rogers Cable, Videotron, etc.

Well that was in regard to the HD-PVR specifically... They can still support the other cards for OTA recordings and probably the analog SD recordings. The main issue of Hollywood seems to be with the analog hole of HD material...

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by wayner

But it would be totally useless for either of us as we live in Canada and can't get a CableCard from Rogers Cable, Videotron, etc.

ditto that - my main source is Shaw Direct satellite

[vikingisson]

Originally Posted by wayner

But it would be totally useless for either of us as we live in Canada and can't get a CableCard from Rogers Cable, Videotron, etc.

Well that little fact won't stop anyone from doing it that way or any other way even if it could technically work, it probably won't work in Canada until some undisclosed date just like most things. Netflix finally came here but if you thought it would work on your boxee software you were surprised to see it all work up to the point of actually streaming a movie. sorry charlie, you live where we don't play.

On that note, I haven't used the cable or sat services for many years and don't expect to see a shift away from their practices much less a cable card offering. I'm on OTA and that gets even less attention. It would be technically easier to offer a dual tuner for OTA and the guide to go with it but that is not likely either.

I've mentioned over at the Goog that until I see something more than silence on this and several other things that have been bothering me I am limiting my Google use to the basics. I know there are legal and corruption factors stifling real innovation but if they want my money or my data they need to speak.

edit-> can't play local files I already have or saved by other means that the box can't do? well that's completely useless then isn't it? Of course someone will pirate content but the rest of us can't use easy tech because of that? DIY has always been better and now that consumer level tech is capable of the same it won't happen, DIY is still the best solution. And that might be the real reason to buy Sage and other products. Yes, companies buy other companies and do nothing with it. Without any word to the contrary that's what I have to believe.

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by wayner

Hollywood doesn't like the "analog hole" that the HD-PVR takes advantage of so that want DRM up the wazoo. But many of us want no part of DRM if it restricts us from our ability to record and watch our content throughout our house.

I wonder how hollywood feels about the digital hole I use to get hdmi to my colossus?

[wayner]

That is an issue between DirecTV and Hollywood as I am sure Hollywood would like to see all premium channels encrypted this closing the digital hole.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

I wonder how hollywood feels about the digital hole I use to get hdmi to my colossus?

what can you get via HDMI to the colossus? All I saw with my sat receiver (shaw direct) was black

[jm9843]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

From what I have seen of the GoogleTV API, and read, you can't even play a file from the local network, which has been done on purpose to "prevent piracy"... So that puts some serious constraints on a SageTV integration...

The "Google TV API" is just an extension of the regular SDK. There are already apps working on Google TV that play files from a local network.

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

what can you get via HDMI to the colossus? All I saw with my sat receiver (shaw direct) was black

Everything. Native resolution with dolby digital.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

Everything. Native resolution with dolby digital.

Is that the case with all DirecTV receivers or do you need to have a particular model?

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

Everything. Native resolution with dolby digital.

ah..direct tv. premium movie channels as well?

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by wayner

Is that the case with all DirecTV receivers or do you need to have a particular model?

From the H20 and above. I've got a HR24 and an H25.

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

ah..direct tv. premium movie channels as well?

Yep. Everything.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

Yep. Everything.

lucky you

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

lucky you

Thanks, but not so much luck as it is good planning. I waited a long time before purchasing anything. I looked at the colossus thread to see who was having success with what. Directv has unencrypted hdmi and http tuning. I've sold directv before and like the stability of their equipment. Dish had crap equipment when I had them and they also didn't care if you canceled their service. Cable was not going to happen and u-verse is crap.

So really, I just made a good decision.

[zoop]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

Feeling pessimistic today? I doubt Google would spend a bunch of money just so they could "screw us". It's just not a good business decision

http://on.wsj.com/swLmx5