Sage 7: how to config for..

[stevech]

1. Do not keep partial recordings (I've seen it- can't find it in menus)

2. Favorites: how to record the HD version of a program that is re-run, and I already have the SD version? Since HD, my default quality is highest HD bit rate, but not sure Sage will elect to re-record none the less, nor how it would keep both SD and HD in the database, or supersede SD. (I've done Clear Watched for all episodes). Would I have to move the SD episodes to ARCHIVES so Sage will re-record HD?

[Fuzzy]

1. Detailed Setup -> Customize -> Delete LiveTV Files when not using Intelligent Recording == Enabled.

2. Choose the SD Program, and choose Delete -> Delete it because it is the Wrong Recording. This will delete your SD program, and clear it's recorded status from the database, allowing it to be recorded again. Though, if it is recording the SD version, and an HD version is available - and the guide data reflects this (not showing HD flag on the SD airing, and showing it on the HD airing), then it means there is a conflict somewhere, preventing it from getting the HD one. Sage will do what it can to record as much in HD as possible.

[stevech]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

1. Detailed Setup -> Customize -> Delete LiveTV Files when not using Intelligent Recording == Enabled.

Hmm, Intelligent Recording was DISABLED and Delete LiveTV Files when not using intelligent recording was YES. So I shouldn't be getting these. I'll see if it continues.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

2. Choose the SD Program, and choose Delete -> Delete it because it is the Wrong Recording. This will delete your SD program, and clear it's recorded status from the database, allowing it to be recorded again. Though, if it is recording the SD version, and an HD version is available - and the guide data reflects this (not showing HD flag on the SD airing, and showing it on the HD airing), then it means there is a conflict somewhere, preventing it from getting the HD one. Sage will do what it can to record as much in HD as possible.

Thanks - but I'm confused on the above: if ever that program is re-run in HD I want it to be recorded to replace the SD version: Do I indeed have to move the SD version to Archive (so that it's not in the Recordings list)? I've cleared the "Watched" status, and the Favorite setting includes Reruns. I don't want to delete the SD version totally from concern that the HD version may not be re-run. I think Sage keys off of show ID numbers and I don't know if that number differs for the SD and HD versions of the same show.

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by stevech

Thanks - but I'm confused on the above: if ever that program is re-run in HD I want it to be recorded to replace the SD version: Do I indeed have to move the SD version to Archive (so that it's not in the Recordings list)? I've cleared the "Watched" status, and the Favorite setting includes Reruns. I don't want to delete the SD version totally from concern that the HD version may not be re-run. I think Sage keys off of show ID numbers and I don't know if that number differs for the SD and HD versions of the same show.

You actually have to delete the recording completey from SageTV and ensure it's not marked as watched in order for Sage to record it again (possibly, but not definitely in HD). Alternatively, you have to select the HD airing and set it up as a manual record then Sage would also record it, but there is nothing in the base Sage software that will automatically record something that Sage already knows is recorded. Archiving a recording will not be enough (Sage will still see it as existing and refuse to record it again).

If you want to record existing SD recordings in HD, if/when the HD airing is available to be recorded, and only delete the SD recording after the HD one has been recorded then you'll need a plugin of some type to do this. To my knowledge, nothing exists to do this exact thing, but one could write a script to be executed by the SJQv4 plugin to do this type of thing. Either way, some kind of plugin would be required in order to force Sage to record something that's already recorded.

[stevech]

Thanks. Seems like Sage needs a design improvement here-

Record HD to replace existing SD.
Logic: wouldn't need a UI change: just note that the user unset WATCHED on the SD and that there's a higher quality (HD) version in the guide as a rerun.

(I checked and the ShowID is the same for the SD from a year ago and the HD version).

What I'm trying to do is replace my 13 recordings of the "LIFE" series in SD with HD recordings, but not delete the SDs until I have the HDs.

Until I find a better way: I copied the SD recording file to the IMPORTS folder. Didn't delete the existing unwatched file via Sage's UI.
Confusing part: I have a manual recording set for the HD version and it's in the Scheduled Recordings queue.
Not sure what happens if a MANUAL recording is called for for a showID that's already in the Recordings folder and database. Intuition is that Sage should REPLACE the older file with the newer recording as it wouldn't know how else to honor the Manual request.

[carlgar]

Originally Posted by stevech

Thanks. Seems like Sage needs a design improvement here-

What I'm trying to do is replace my 13 recordings of "LIFE" in SD with HD recordings, but not delete the SDs until I have the HDs.

It can be done but not automaltically like you want. Just find future airings of your shows in HD and mark then for manual recording. After the recording is acceptable to you delete the original and remove the manual marking of the new recording. This will get to where you want to be.

I would like to see a plug-in that would do this automatically, but for slightly different reasons. Sometimes, I get a recording that I consider poor for various reasons. Cable problems, weather alerts, amber alerts, etc. I would like to mark the recording in a way to tells Sage to record again hoping for a better copy. It should not matter if the original is watched or not.

[stevech]

Originally Posted by carlgar

It can be done but not automaltically like you want. Just find future airings of your shows in HD and mark then for manual recording. After the recording is acceptable to you delete the original and remove the manual marking of the new recording. This will get to where you want to be.

I would like to see a plug-in that would do this automatically, but for slightly different reasons. Sometimes, I get a recording that I consider poor for various reasons. Cable problems, weather alerts, amber alerts, etc. I would like to mark the recording in a way to tells Sage to record again hoping for a better copy. It should not matter if the original is watched or not.

Oh, dumb me.. if as above, I do the manual recording, would I see the same showID/title and episode in the recordings list TWICE?

Well, the need you state and the one I have are the same! Replace a sub-par recording via a show re-run.

PS: wow. Your equipment list of tuners is vast!

[carlgar]

Yes, you would have 2 copies of the same show. One would probably be marked as a favorite and the other as a manual recording. Once the manual marking is removed then both would probably show as favorites.

vast? I just thing I need a new HDHR

[stevech]

yes, Sage just finished recording the HD version of a program I have in SD as not-watched - identical showID & Title. The new one is correctly marked HD.

So that's what happens due to a Manual recording.

I have to watch the guide to get the other 12 shows over the next few weeks, replacing SD with HD versions.

[carlgar]

You should not have to watch the guide. You just need to check at least once or twice a week. You select one of the shows from your recording list, then select future airings (you may need to use advanced options if currently using basic options). That should show all airing for the next two weeks and you can select all of the HD shows you want to record manually. Use of the future airings will also show if the program is available on other channels. Much easier than look at the guide to find the programs.

[stevech]

right. that's what I meant by watch the guide.

[Slugger]

Manually keeping an eye on the EPG is the easiest, and most labour intensive, way to do this, as you're finding. But this can be done automatically with the SJQv4 plugin. You'd have to write (or find someone to write) the script that does exactly what you're looking for and then just schedule it to run once a day to check your EPG against your SD recordings.

[stevech]

Thanks ... I'll browse the downloads.
I'm fluent in C, C++, JavaScript, VBS, etc. so I'll probably be able to figure out how to config it.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by carlgar

It can be done but not automaltically like you want. Just find future airings of your shows in HD and mark then for manual recording. After the recording is acceptable to you delete the original and remove the manual marking of the new recording. This will get to where you want to be.

I would like to see a plug-in that would do this automatically, but for slightly different reasons. Sometimes, I get a recording that I consider poor for various reasons. Cable problems, weather alerts, amber alerts, etc. I would like to mark the recording in a way to tells Sage to record again hoping for a better copy. It should not matter if the original is watched or not.

The multi-stop plugin. Choose-Delete-it is the wrong recording-and it will go out and record it again.

Gerry

[carlgar]

Originally Posted by gplasky

The multi-stop plugin. Choose-Delete-it is the wrong recording-and it will go out and record it again.

Gerry

Is that any different than the standard delete, because it is the wrong recording? I think you may be missing the primary point of not deleting the original recording until a better one is available.

[gplasky]

It is different than a standard delete. I know of the OP not wanting to delete the original but my point is this is what will work in an automated fashion. This has always worked for me and will always re-record it if it is marked wrong. I also specifically put in the favorite the HD channel I want to record from and never leave it up to the any channel choice. This way I don't get "accidental" SD recordings for any reason.

Gerry

[stevech]

Originally Posted by gplasky

It is different than a standard delete. I know of the OP not wanting to delete the original but my point is this is what will work in an automated fashion. This has always worked for me and will always re-record it if it is marked wrong. I also specifically put in the favorite the HD channel I want to record from and never leave it up to the any channel choice. This way I don't get "accidental" SD recordings for any reason.

Gerry

To avoid PITA editing of favorites-by-channel number as Mr. Cable juggles: Can (or could) Sage use channel (source) NAME instead of channel number? Like APLHD (HD) which differs from APLP (SD)? Each has a different channel #. These days, the names seem more unchanging than the channel numbers.

And: as an HD newbie, how does the Sage guide depict the subchannels that some locals use?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by carlgar

Is that any different than the standard delete, because it is the wrong recording? I think you may be missing the primary point of not deleting the original recording until a better one is available.

Originally Posted by gplasky

It is different than a standard delete. I know of the OP not wanting to delete the original but my point is this is what will work in an automated fashion. This has always worked for me and will always re-record it if it is marked wrong. I also specifically put in the favorite the HD channel I want to record from and never leave it up to the any channel choice. This way I don't get "accidental" SD recordings for any reason.

Those do function exactly the same.. they mark the show as non-recorded, and purge the record record from the database, so it will be recorded again. The plugin simply adds that option to a different place (that being the STOP command window). Regardless, it has no bearing here, as he didn't want to delete the SD one until the HD one is recorded.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Those do function exactly the same.. they mark the show as non-recorded, and purge the record record from the database, so it will be recorded again. The plugin simply adds that option to a different place (that being the STOP command window). Regardless, it has no bearing here, as he didn't want to delete the SD one until the HD one is recorded.

I don't believe that is correct. From the manual:

o-Delete it Now – Delete the recording, leaving all Watched, Don’t Like, etc., markers intact.
o-Delete it because it is the wrong recording – Delete the recording, clearing all tracking information about the recorded airing. Use this option if the recorded show is not what was, in fact, recorded. An incorrect recording may happen because of a last-minute program scheduling change by a network, which is not reflected in the guide data SageTV uses, for example.

If I didn't finish watching a recording and choose delete it now it will NOT mark it as watched. It will leave any markers intact.

And if they were the same then what is the point of having 2 distinct commands?

The point I was making was this is the simplest way of doing it and you don't have to worry about it getting recorded again. Unless that was the only time it was ever going to run. I've done this many of times and has always got it to record it again.

Gerry

[Fuzzy]

I'm pretty sure stevech was asking whether or not the 'Delete because it is the wrong recording' in the multi-stop plugin was different than the 'Delete because it is the wrong recording' of the default Delete command. They are not.