HD300 24p playback?

[impro]

Any news on native 24p playback?

[PLUCKYHD]

Works great and it now a selectable resolution on the hd300.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Works great and it now a selectable resolution on the hd300.

Does it natively switch to 24 as well?

[impro]

so the hd200 was HDMI1.2?
Is hdmi1.2 able to transport 24p stream?

* merged; stop posting this question in the pictures topic *

[impro]

Purchased one immediately.
SAGETV IS GREAT.
Everything but 24p has been great for me.
Now I hope HD300 will take care of that.

[stanger89]

The HD200 is perfectly capable of 1080p24, I had no problems with either of mine.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by stanger89

The HD200 is perfectly capable of 1080p24, I had no problems with either of mine.

Correct but it is nice to have it officially supported and available with the nice native output switching. Plus the hd300 does produce a slightly better image than the hd200 on my projector at least to my eyes it is finally not possible for me to tell the difference in the ps3 and the hd300 I could with the hd200.

[valnar]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

it is finally not possible for me to tell the difference in the ps3 and the hd300 I could with the hd200.

Most important sentence so far in this thread. That's good news.

[impro]

Originally Posted by stanger89

The HD200 is perfectly capable of 1080p24, I had no problems with either of mine.

DO you have 24p capable tv?
Panasonic v10 or Panasonic vt25

[impro]

Originally Posted by valnar

Most important sentence so far in this thread. That's good news.

ALLELUIA!!!!!

[impro]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Correct but it is nice to have it officially supported and available with the nice native output switching. Plus the hd300 does produce a slightly better image than the hd200 on my projector at least to my eyes it is finally not possible for me to tell the difference in the ps3 and the hd300 I could with the hd200.

Projectors respond differently to frame rates then plasmas and I am not surprised you had no problems with hd200.
On my v10 I have no problems except a certain speed of horizontal pan.
Sometimes it is so bad that I have a mirror image 1 inch from the original image.
a vertical line "corner walls" ect

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by impro

Projectors respond differently to frame rates then plasmas and I am not surprised you had no problems with hd200.
On my v10 I have no problems except a certain speed of horizontal pan.
Sometimes it is so bad that I have a mirror image 1 inch from the original image.
a vertical line "corner walls" ect

Yes and it is also allot easier to tell issues on 110" than a smaller tv. Needless to say I am pleasantly pleased with the picture quality after adjusting my projector to match it. The 200 never looked right especially @ 24fps and fast motion scenes like you stated.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Does it natively switch to 24 as well?

Yes that was the sweet spot native switching on the blu rays because I don't want my other stuff in 24fps.

[impro]

Fast motion was fine
Medium slow horizontal pans or moving objects are horible.
I ordered the hd300 and the fact that it has native 24p is very encouraging.
I suspect it was never officially supported because it did not work OK.
Don't get me wrong. PS3 playback is not perfect at all.
But way better then hd200.

BTW if you are experiencing problems with fast scenes I would imagine you have a LCD/DLP projector.

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Yes and it is also allot easier to tell issues on 110" than a smaller tv. Needless to say I am pleasantly pleased with the picture quality after adjusting my projector to match it. The 200 never looked right especially @ 24fps and fast motion scenes like you stated.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by impro

Fast motion was fine
Medium slow horizontal pans or moving objects are horible.
I ordered the hd300 and the fact that it has native 24p is very encouraging.
I suspect it was never officially supported because it did not work OK.
Don't get me wrong. PS3 playback is not perfect at all.
But way better then hd200.

BTW if you are experiencing problems with fast scenes I would imagine you have a LCD/DLP projector.

It is a LCD but I don't have problems with fast screens anymore on the hd300 and I know what you mean about slow pans those were terrible on the hd200 for me as well.

[stanger89]

First maybe this should move to a new thread, rather than the "pictures thread" (Andy ).

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Correct but it is nice to have it officially supported and available with the nice native output switching.

Definitely nice to have it in the menus. As for native output switching, my HD200 would switch to 1080p24 automatically for BDs.

Plus the hd300 does produce a slightly better image than the hd200 on my projector at least to my eyes it is finally not possible for me to tell the difference in the ps3 and the hd300 I could with the hd200.

Weird, I already couldn't tell the difference between my HD200 and my Pioneer 51FD. But I use Native Output/Source direct on both so my projector did the video processing.

Originally Posted by impro

DO you have 24p capable tv?
Panasonic v10 or Panasonic vt25

Two, a Planar 8150 and a Samsung B6000.

Projectors respond differently to frame rates then plasmas and I am not surprised you had no problems with hd200.

How so? My planar drops to a 48Hz refresh rate when it detects 24Hz input. It doesn't do FI, and it doesn't do 3:2 pulldown.

BTW if you are experiencing problems with fast scenes I would imagine you have a LCD/DLP projector.

DLPs handle motion better than almost anything, save CRTs (and Plasmas, which work very similarly).

Maybe I'll play with my 300 more. I don't know what you are talking about regarding slow pans @ 24p. At least nothing that's not normal/inherent in slow 24p pans.

If you're talking slow like the city flyover/pans on Quantum of Solace, IIRC those were butter smooth (somewhat surprising for 24Hz) on my HD200+Planar.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by stanger89

First maybe this should move to a new thread, rather than the "pictures thread" (Andy ).

Right -- I've now merged both of impro's posts that were split from that topic into this one.

- Andy

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by stanger89

DLPs handle motion better than almost anything, save CRTs (and Plasmas, which work very similarly).

I think I'm just as confused. I agree, DLP is probably the single best for motion, simply because, unlike pretty much any other tech, when a DLP pixel is off, it is truly off. There is no transition time like an LCD, not phosphor glow of a CRT, even plasma's have some transition time. I can imagine older DLP's (the true 60Hz chips) would have problems with 24Hz material, but any recent (last 5 years?) DLP chip wobulates at 120Hz, so 24Hz material, if presented in that mode, should play back perfectly.

[stanger89]

I think most DLPs still run at at top of 60, but the better ones, like my planar, actually slow down to 48Hz refresh for 24Hz material (same effect as 120Hz).

[medwynd]

The new mistu DLP's run at 24Hz.

640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1365x768, 1280x1024 @ 60Hz
1920x 1080 @ 24Hz, 30Hz, 60Hz