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Old 04-19-2010, 07:12 PM
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Should recordings under Suggestions prefer HD channels?

It's my understanding that SageTV, when doing scheduled recordings, will automatically choose a HD channel over a SD channel with the same program, and from what I can tell, it seems to be doing that.

Should it also prefer a HD channel when recording things under Suggestions?

In my channel lineup, I have both SyFy and SyFyHD (identical content on both, but SyFyHD is HD). Under suggestions, it records a lot of movies from SyFy, but never records them from SyFyHD. It's always the SD version from SyFy. Most of the time, it's recording from SyFy with my HD digital tuner (my secondary tuner is SD and can only record the basic cable channels), so there's no tuner conflict, and no reason it couldn't be recording from SyFyHD instead. Is there any particular reason it's not recording from SyFyHD instead?
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:50 PM
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Was the HD version a recent addition to your lineup? The Suggestions are based on the Intelligent Recording logic, so if you have a long history of watching stuff on the SD channel, and not much on the HD channel, it may have the SD channel flagged as a favorite channel to record stuff from, based on the number of hours you've spent watching it. (Just guessing here, but that seems like one possible explanation.)
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:42 PM
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HD vs. SD is not taken into consideration when IR chooses what to record.

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Old 04-20-2010, 10:08 AM
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Was the HD version a recent addition to your lineup?
Nope, always had both. But the Suggestions also think I love infomercials and religious programs, so who knows what it's Intelligent Recording logic is doing.

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HD vs. SD is not taken into consideration when IR chooses what to record.
Ah, okay. That must be it, then. Would be nice if it was taken into consideration, though.

In any case, I think I have a workaround. I didn't want to remove SyFy (the SD channel) from the lineup, because my secondary, analog tuner can't record SyFyHD, and I wanted to leave SyFy as an option if the primary HD tuner was busy with something higher priority. But then it occurred to me that I have separate lineups defined for the two tuners, so I removed SyFy from the lineup of the HD tuner, and left it in the lineup of the SD analog tuner. It still remains to be seen if IR will now start recording movies on SyFyHD, or just record them on SyFy with the SD tuner (or not at all).
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:29 PM
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In that case, you should also set up the 'encoder_merit' properties to have a higher merit for the HD tuner, which will help push more recordings towards there.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:43 PM
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In that case, you should also set up the 'encoder_merit' properties to have a higher merit for the HD tuner, which will help push more recordings towards there.
To be clear, encoder_merit will cause Sage to prefer one tuner over another when they can both receive the same channel. It will not cause Sage to prefer one channel over another, or affect the logic by which IR chooses programs to record.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:54 PM
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Good to know, in any case. Out of curiosity, if you don't explicitly set encoder_merit, does it prefer one of the tuners by default? It does seem to prefer the HD tuner for scheduled recordings (when it's on a channel either could record).
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It is pretty much random i think (determined at some point during setup perhaps) as to which encoder is used, all else being equal. However, the only exception to encoder_merit is if a program is available in both an HD AND an SD version (has to have the same showId, and be properly tagged as HD and Not-HD, then it will prefer the HD version Also, it apparently, as Andy suggested, this does NOT apply for IR though).
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It is pretty much random i think (determined at some point during setup perhaps) as to which encoder is used, all else being equal. However, the only exception to encoder_merit is if a program is available in both an HD AND an SD version (has to have the same showId, and be properly tagged as HD and Not-HD, then it will prefer the HD version Also, it apparently, as Andy suggested, this does NOT apply for IR though).
I just wanted to confirm this.

I have two tuners, one can do HD or analog, the other is just analog. Right now, I have my hybrid tuner as a higher encoder_merit, which has caused the problem where a higher ranked favorite was recorded in analog on the hybrid, forcing a lower favorite (world cup match) that was available in HD to be recorded on my analog only tuner instead.

It seems that I can fix this problem by making the analog only tuner a higher encoder_merit, which will be overridden for HD, but otherwise will record there, allowing the lower favorite in HD?
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:23 PM
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It uses the EPG tagging to determine if the show is HD or not... NOT the cards capabilities. If you have an SD card, but have it mapped to an HD program, sage will still think it's recording HD with it, so the HD override won't work. The only way to have the HD override is to map SD version of the channels to the SD cards, and HD to the HD cards, that way sage has proper information in the guide to base it's decisions on.
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