Cant import dvd directories

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by gplasky

VIDEO_TS.vob is not a requirement for a DVD to play.

Yes it is. Or, at least it is in certain circumstances -- the file is needed if you aren't using the "VIDEO_TS" folder for the DVD files; see this old topic:
DVD's on hard drive video_ts requirement


The required files for hard drive based DVDs are listed in Appendix I of the SageTV PDF manual. Deviate from that at your own risk.

- Andy

[jkhouw1]

Originally Posted by Opus4

Yes it is. Or, at least it is in certain circumstances -- the file is needed if you aren't using the "VIDEO_TS" folder for the DVD files; see this old topic:
DVD's on hard drive video_ts requirement


The required files for hard drive based DVDs are listed in Appendix I of the SageTV PDF manual. Deviate from that at your own risk.

- Andy

Actually, what I was saying is that the VIDEO_TS.VOB file is not a requirement of the DVD standard format - clearly it appears to be required (incorrectly) by sageTV HD200 in standalon mode.

And as a further point, apparently it is required (by sagetv hd200 only) even if you are using the VIDEO_TS folder for the DVD files as that is what I am doing.

On further investigation, I browsed the original DVD's that were failing to be read by the extender and the original DVD's (not copies but the original retail discs) don't even have a VIDEO_TS.VOB file on them - which I guess is the reason DVDFab and DVDShrink didn't copy them

[jkhouw1]

Originally Posted by gplasky

Sorry. Not buying that. All 514 of my DVD ripd were done by DVD Fab and less than half of them have a VIDEO_TS.VOB and I have no issues playing all of them. Most are just Main Move but some are full rips. Being curious I just looked at 3 DVD rentals I have from Netflix. 2 out of 2 do NOT have a VIDEO_TS.VOB. (The Thaw and The Brave One.) Public Enemies does. Out of 10 of the ones I grabbed and own only 3 of them had a VIDEO_TS.VOB.
VIDEO_TS.vob is not a requirement for a DVD to play.


Gerry

I'm not sure what you aren't buying.

• clearly the VIDEO_TS.VOB is not a required file or all these discs wouldn't play in windows media center, or on regular dvd players.
• I'm running in standalone mode with latest beta software
• HD200 would not recognize the rips certain dvd's I have all of which where full copies (and I had tried movie only as well) stored in VIDEO_TS directory
• All of the ones it would NOT recognize were "missing" a video_ts.vob file.
• I copied a video_ts.vob from a different rip to all the discs that were not working, and presto- the hd200 recognized them as dvds and played them back

are you using it in standalone mode or with a sagetv server? I am in standalone mode, and it started working as soon as I copied a Video_TS.VOB from a different disc.


per my post above, I know VIDEO_TS.VOB is not required per DVD standards - I'm just saying it appears to be required (at least by MY HD-200 running in standalone mode - and per SageTV support).

I was just posting this information and what works for me in case others run into the same issue.

If your rips are being recognized as DVDs on a standalone HD-200 without the VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS folder, congrats.

[_Demo_]

Originally Posted by jkhouw1

[*]clearly the VIDEO_TS.VOB is not a required file or all these discs wouldn't play in windows media center, or on regular dvd players.

The next beta firmware will remove this requirement.

_Demo_

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by Opus4

Yes it is. Or, at least it is in certain circumstances -- the file is needed if you aren't using the "VIDEO_TS" folder for the DVD files; see this old topic:
DVD's on hard drive video_ts requirement


The required files for hard drive based DVDs are listed in Appendix I of the SageTV PDF manual. Deviate from that at your own risk.

- Andy

All I'm saying is I have 514 DVD rips into the standard \Movie Title\VIDEO_TS format. Less than half have the VIDEO_TS.VOB files and play perfectly fine from Sage. The other thing I'm saying is that out of a sampling of 20 of my owned DVDs less that half of the actual DVDs have a VIDEO_TS.VOB. This is 20 out of over 600 of actual store bought DVDs. If this file was a requirement that why do less than half of my store bought DVDs even have this file? (I'm not taking rips now-I'm talking the actual physical store bought original DVDs don't have this file.) I've played these in standalone and in extender mode. It's not that I want to deviate from this standard but that the original DVDs don't adhere to this standard.

Gerry

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by jkhouw1

If your rips are being recognized as DVDs on a standalone HD-200 without the VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS folder, congrats.

Thanks-that is what I am saying.

In addition that most of the original DVDs that I own don't have a VIDEO_TS.VOB file on them either. And what I'm not buying is that file is required for a standard DVD. DVDFab doesn't remove any VIDEO_TS.VOB. Look at your original source-it doesn't have that file.

Gerry

[mayhewda]

something doesnt jive here. I just tried copy a video.ts.vob file from one of my movies that had one into the movies that did not import (about 45). Reimported, re-scanned , same thing. Cannot plan them in standalone mode.
What procedure did sage support tell you to do?

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by gplasky

In addition that most of the original DVDs that I own don't have a VIDEO_TS.VOB file on them either. And what I'm not buying is that file is required for a standard DVD.

Please refer to the topic I linked above, especially this post.

What SageTV is saying is that a couple of the files should only be required for recognition as a DVD by SageTV if the DVD has not been ripped to a folder structure that includes the VIDEO_TS folder. Since the lack of the VIDEO_TS folder was a new option at the time of that older topic, it was pointed out that those other files were used by SageTV to tell that it is a DVD when the VIDEO_TS folder is not present.

And, unless I misunderstood _DEMO_'s above post, the HD200 in standalone still is looking for the file even when the folder exists & that will be changing in a future firmware update. I just tested this with one of my hard-drive based DVDs by removing the VIDEO_TS.VOB file & it was not recognized as a DVD by my HD200 in standalone mode even though it was in a VIDEO_TS folder, while SageTV on my PC did recognize it as a DVD - so, that's what he said will be changing.

- Andy

[jkhouw1]

Originally Posted by Opus4

And, unless I misunderstood _DEMO_'s above post, the HD200 in standalone still is looking for the file even when the folder exists & that will be changing in a future firmware update. I just tested this with one of my hard-drive based DVDs by removing the VIDEO_TS.VOB file & it was not recognized as a DVD by my HD200 in standalone mode even though it was in a VIDEO_TS folder, while SageTV on my PC did recognize it as a DVD - so, that's what he said will be changing.

- Andy

Exactly what I was trying (perhaps poorly) to say: VIDEO_TS.VOB is NOT a required file by DVD Standards, however HD200 in standalone mode requires it to be recognized as a DVD (according to sagetv support & testing in my own environment- apparently at least one person seems to not have this issue).

My DVD file structure is \\NAS\Shared\DVD\MovieTitle\VIDEO_TS\files
the import directory is set as \\NAS\Shared\DVD

With that configuration, if the VIDEO_TS.VOB file was missing, HD200 would not list it in the DVD/BR view, WOULD list it as a movie in the folder view - but highlighting the folder and chosing to play would result in an error, and finally I could manually browse to an individual .VOB file and choose to play it but I would have to do that for each of the 1GB VOB files...

If a VIDEO_TS.VOB was present, it recognizes as a DVD and could be played as one would expect to be able to.

Originally Posted by mayhewda

something doesnt jive here. I just tried copy a video.ts.vob file from one of my movies that had one into the movies that did not import (about 45). Reimported, re-scanned , same thing. Cannot plan them in standalone mode.
What procedure did sage support tell you to do?

they didn't tell me to do anything, I just had just googled something where someone was having an issue with a completely different product, and thats what they did to fix it. My steps to fix it in MY environment was:

• Rip using DVDFab (or DVDShrink) to above folder structure
• IF the original source DVD did not have a VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS directory, HD200 in standalone would not recognize it as a DVD so I copied a VIDEO_TS.VOB from a DVD that had it to the VIDEO_TS folder that was not being recognized. (I just chose the smallest one I could find from my working DVDs)

[mayhewda]

they didn't tell me to do anything, I just had just googled something where someone was having an issue with a completely different product, and thats what they did to fix it. My steps to fix it in MY environment was:

• Rip using DVDFab (or DVDShrink) to above folder structure
• IF the original source DVD did not have a VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS directory, HD200 in standalone would not recognize it as a DVD so I copied a VIDEO_TS.VOB from a DVD that had it to the VIDEO_TS folder that was not being recognized. (I just chose the smallest one I could find from my working DVDs)

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Tried the same procedure. I copied a video_ts.vob file to a number of movies that did not import properly, to the video_ts folder. No go.

[jkhouw1]

Originally Posted by mayhewda

Tried the same procedure. I copied a video_ts.vob file to a number of movies that did not import properly, to the video_ts folder. No go.

Hmm maybe you have a different issue...

I am on the latest beta firmware if that makes any difference...

if you go in Folder View - does the folder with the non-working dvd rips have the little movie film strip icon? If so, can you highlight the folder and play it?

[johnnybwis]

Originally Posted by mayhewda

they didn't tell me to do anything, I just had just googled something where someone was having an issue with a completely different product, and thats what they did to fix it. My steps to fix it in MY environment was:

• Rip using DVDFab (or DVDShrink) to above folder structure
• IF the original source DVD did not have a VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS directory, HD200 in standalone would not recognize it as a DVD so I copied a VIDEO_TS.VOB from a DVD that had it to the VIDEO_TS folder that was not being recognized. (I just chose the smallest one I could find from my working DVDs)

I had all my dvd's showing and then they disappeared, I ended up adding the VIDEO_TS.VOB file also to make them reappear. I don't use my media player that often but it seems like something always needs to be tinkered with when I do.