UK Freeview Retune

[ukmgranger]

Originally Posted by doc

I have most of the Waltham channels here. I haven't got ITV2+1 as I couldn't be bothered to do another scan, and I haven't got the shopping channels.

I hope this helps a little.

If there are any specific channels missing that aren't in my frq file let me know and I'll see if a scan here picks them up.

Thanks for that doc.

I wonder if you (or anyone else) can help me understand this a little more. I seem to be getting pretty confused with the whole thing.

If I add a new source, sage creates a .frq file for that source. If I then copy and past new settings into the frq file, nothing seems to change in the lineup when I look at it in the channel editor in sage. I cant seem to change the channel number from the frq file.

Am I doing something wrong?

Also, just so you know, I want to use the EPG that is sent over the air (with freeview).

[doc]

Originally Posted by ukmgranger

Also, just so you know, I want to use the EPG that is sent over the air (with freeview).

That makes things a little more complex and I've never manually changed a frq file when its set to use over the air EPG.

I use the Birtles grabber which is free along with Stephane's importer. I don't like paying for things though I did donate for the importer.

Someone else may know how to do what you want. I'll have a play this week on my spare PC as I'm on holiday. I'm a connector missing to get it up and running and I know I have it somewhere but I'll be darned if I can find it

[doc]

Thinking about it - can you not manually edit your frq file, delete the source, re-add it, tell it to remove mappings and not do a scan. Then tell it you don't want to use an EPG source. Does that not work?

EDIT: OK, I see your point. I don't know how to get it working that way. The channel scan options don't allow you to take a previously setup frq file and use that, unless there's something I'm missing too!

[Slingshot72]

In the past Ive used ScanChannelsBDA-UK to get the channel details whenever there was a need to update the .frq files. Unfortunately for some reason version 2.6.0 failed to work on my server. Searching for an updated version, I found this site which has a link to 2.7.0. This didn't work either but theres also a link to the source code there so I downloaded it and updated the code so it now works with my machine. At the same time I added some other features to it:

* It now finds TV channels wether or not they are currently transmitting (so you no longer need to do 2 or more scans at different times to get all the channel details)
* It dumps all the discovered channels into the ScanChannelsDBA.log file in the same format as you find in the SageTV .frq files. These are put into LCN order. NOTE: In case its important, this exe records the actual frequency that the channel was discovered on and not the publicised frequency (i.e. the bit where ScanChannelsBDA does the +-166khz, this version records frq:578166000 instread of frq:578000000). Its not had any detremental effect on my servers tuning but YMMV.

Heres the output from my last scan:

Summary of TV Channels
======================

CH:1 onid:9018 tsid:4099 sid:4163 frq:578166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC ONE
CH:2 onid:9018 tsid:4099 sid:4227 frq:578166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC TWO
CH:3 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8270 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV1
CH:4 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8384 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel 4
CH:5 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8500 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE
CH:6 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8325 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2
CH:7 onid:9018 tsid:4099 sid:4351 frq:578166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC THREE
CH:9 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:16832 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC FOUR 
CH:10 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16048 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV3
CH:11 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22208 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SKY THREE
CH:12 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:25792 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Yesterday
CH:13 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8452 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel 4+1
CH:14 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8442 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:More 4
CH:15 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27136 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Film4
CH:16 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:13120 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:QVC
CH:17 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:15552 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:G.O.L.D.
CH:18 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:25664 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:4Music
CH:19 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22272 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Dave
CH:20 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14304 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Virgin1
CH:21 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:25728 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:TMF
CH:22 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:25920 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Ideal World
CH:23 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14272 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:bid tv
CH:24 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:28032 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV4
CH:25 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27392 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Dave ja vu
CH:26 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14976 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:Home
CH:27 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27072 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:
CH:28 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8448 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4
CH:29 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22336 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4+1
CH:30 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:12928 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVER
CH:31 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:12992 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE USA
CH:32 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27648 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Big Deal
CH:33 onid:9018 tsid:8206 sid:8370 frq:562166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV
CH:34 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16096 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ESPN
CH:35 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:25856 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Virgin1+1
CH:36 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27776 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Create & Craft
CH:37 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22464 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:price-drop tv
CH:38 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14498 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:QUEST
CH:39 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14560 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SuperCasino CH:40 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27840 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Rocks & Co
CH:45 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27264 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Lottery Xtra
CH:45 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:19456 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:301
CH:46 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:19520 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:302
CH:47 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:19584 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:303
CH:49 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:16768 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:305
CH:51 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16224 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:TOPUP
Anytime1
CH:52 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16256 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:TOPUP
Anytime2
CH:53 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16288 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:TOPUP
Anytime3
CH:54 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27328 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:TOPUP
Anytime4
CH:70 onid:9018 tsid:4099 sid:4671 frq:578166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CBBC Channel
CH:71 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:16960 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CBeebies
CH:72 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16032 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CITV
CH:80 onid:9018 tsid:4099 sid:4415 frq:578166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC NEWS
CH:81 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:17024 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Parliament
CH:82 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22080 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky News
CH:83 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22144 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky Spts News
CH:84 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:15648 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CNN
CH:85 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27456 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Russia Today
CH:87 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:19968 frq:530166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Community
CH:88 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:15808 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Teachers TV
CH:93 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:15232 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Television X
CH:94 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27520 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:smile TV2
CH:95 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22400 frq:602000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:smile TV3
CH:96 onid:9018 tsid:24576 sid:27904 frq:570166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Babestation
CH:97 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14368 frq:545833000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:PARTYLAND
CH:105 onid:9018 tsid:4099 sid:4479 frq:578166000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Red Button
 65 Channel(s) found

Heres the executable and source code (usual caveats about run at own risk etc. apply). Hopefully this is going to save people some time in the future when the channel ordering changes again / new channels get added.

[ukmgranger]

Originally Posted by doc

Thinking about it - can you not manually edit your frq file, delete the source, re-add it, tell it to remove mappings and not do a scan. Then tell it you don't want to use an EPG source. Does that not work?

EDIT: OK, I see your point. I don't know how to get it working that way. The channel scan options don't allow you to take a previously setup frq file and use that, unless there's something I'm missing too!

I have decided to use Stephans import tool instead.

I have had the paid for version for a while, but I was initially overwhelmed by the interface so didn't ever bother using it.

I think that I have now managed to get it set up correctly though. Only issue that I have now is my channel logos don't match - so I have to go in and alter all the names. Boo.

Thanks for the help though with the frq's

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by Slingshot72

Heres the executable and source code (usual caveats about run at own risk etc. apply). Hopefully this is going to save people some time in the future when the channel ordering changes again / new channels get added.

Wow, thanks for that, brilliant. Will make this stuff much easier. Great job!

[pjwerdna]

Anyone else started missing recording since the retune?

Im getting hundreds of "recording missed due to capture device failure" messages in system messages.

Also hundreds of "halt detected in recording" messages as well. Sometime sage can reset the tuner often if cant and I miss the recording.

[starfire]

Originally Posted by pjwerdna

Anyone else started missing recording since the retune?

Sorry but working fine still here.

[pjwerdna]

Hmm!

Wonder if my tuners are toasted!

Ive got an ATX style motherboard in a BTX style case (pci/x slots at the top, cpu at the bottom) and its kind of warm round the tuners!

[michaeldjcox]

Originally Posted by Slingshot72

Searching for an updated version, I found this site which has a link to 2.7.0. This didn't work either but theres also a link to the source code there so I downloaded it and updated the code so it now works with my machine. At the same time I added some other features to it:

Awesome thanks very much for doing this.

I found that the actual frequency didn't work for me - I reverted to the scanned and all was good.

But all the raw data is there - fantastic.

I tried to use SageTV to rescan - and things have improved there - but it still screwed things up and seemed to be using the frequencies of my disabled logical channel 15 it had scanned instead of my enabled original logical channel 15 during the preview and recordings.

Michael

[Slingshot72]

Glad its of use. Over the weekend I'll try and add some options to it (output real/scanned freq., assign sequential/transmitted channel numbers, that sort of thing). That is I will do if Real Life (TM) doesnt get in the way.

[pukka]

Originally Posted by pjwerdna

Anyone else started missing recording since the retune?

Im getting hundreds of "recording missed due to capture device failure" messages in system messages.

Also hundreds of "halt detected in recording" messages as well. Sometime sage can reset the tuner often if cant and I miss the recording.

yes i have had lots, need to sit down this weekend and have a look at it.

i am using sutton coldfield our postcode is LE67.

Thanks

Paul

[starfire]

I think his failure was due to a failed card:-

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...930#post385930

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by pukka

yes i have had lots, need to sit down this weekend and have a look at it.

i am using sutton coldfield our postcode is LE67.

I've been getting failures too, Pontop Pike.

[deanm]

Originally Posted by rickgillyon

I've been getting failures too, Pontop Pike.

I have aslo been getting these problems using Pontop Pike. But to be honest I only really noticed them since Sage added System Messages. Just put it down to my system as I need to do a rebuild of my server soon. So who knows how long this has been happening.

I have noticed this problem shows more when another recording has started on another tuner. Every Monday when the Gadget Show finishes and Flash Forward starts I see this problem. Both are set as favourites and over lap by 5 mins. And only seemed to show since the retune. This problem may just be my set up and will not know until a rebuild.

Dean

[deanm]

Originally Posted by Slingshot72

* It now finds TV channels wether or not they are currently transmitting (so you no longer need to do 2 or more scans at different times to get all the channel details)
* It dumps all the discovered channels into the ScanChannelsDBA.log file in the same format as you find in the SageTV .frq files. These are put into LCN order.

Now why can’t Sage do that?

Dean

[pjwerdna]

Originally Posted by starfire

I think his failure was due to a failed card:-

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...930#post385930

Nope been getting them since the card died as well.

[starfire]

Ah OK.

Hardly ever get one myself.

[actprime]

Cannot get any BBC channels on SageTV 6.6.2 after BBC retune.
Why cannot Sage scan all UK frequencies like other softwares . Can we have a transmitter description which says scan all channels 21 to 69 .

The system is completely B**gared .

Any ideas out there.

[agitate]

Add this channel:

frq:802000000;band:8;

to the Winter Hill section of your PredefinedDVBT.frq file and rescan. There are actually two sections for Winter Hill, the second of which is presumably transmitter B. I added it to the first one in the file. Don't know if it matters though.