HD200 stutter on HD - Page 2

_Demo_ · #21 10-22-2009, 08:53 AM

This is not a network streaming issue. There is something with the way the frames are encoded and the number of times they are repeated. It seems they are only detecting repeated frame rate for few parts of the shows. This is an example (shows number of times a frame should be shown frame base 60):

Those numbers were wrong

_Demo_

hemicuda · #22 10-22-2009, 07:42 PM

@Drewg

Looks like it's telecined. now what?

DEMO: any ideas?

Code:

Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 427712
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229776
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229776
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229776
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459536
Tref =   17, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229776
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459544
Tref =   19, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689304
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 689312
Tref =   21, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689312
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459536
Tref =   23, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 459544
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459536
Tref =   25, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689312
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 689312
Tref =   27, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689296
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 460896
Tref =   29, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 459544
GOP size = 30, byte index = 188466630
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459544
Tref =    1, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689304
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, I frame bits = 687952
Tref =    3, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689312
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459536
Tref =    5, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 459544
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 459536
Tref =    7, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 689312
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 689312
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229776
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229776
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229776
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229776
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229776
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229768
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 229768
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 231136
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 229752
GOP size = 30, byte index = 189730364
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 99680
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 110568
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 468984
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   12, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680600
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453728
Tref =   14, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 453736
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453728
Tref =   16, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680600
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 680600
Tref =   18, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680592
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453736
Tref =   20, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 453736
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453728
Tref =   22, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680600
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 680600
Tref =   24, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680600
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453736
Tref =   26, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 453728
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453736
Tref =   28, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 681960
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 680592
GOP size = 30, byte index = 191346784
Tref =    0, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 660816
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453728
Tref =    2, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, I frame bits = 472152
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 453736
Tref =    4, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680592
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 680600
Tref =    6, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 680600
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 453736
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226872
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226904
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 228224
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226872
GOP size = 30, byte index = 192537835
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 93216
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 208848
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 377176
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226872
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226872
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226872
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226864
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 228224
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 226864
GOP size = 30, byte index = 193388582
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 107152
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 201880
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 383184
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230088
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230096
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 231464
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
GOP size = 30, byte index = 194251877
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 104952
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 201560
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 382440
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 109632
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 350560
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230096
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 231464
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
GOP size = 30, byte index = 195114764
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 123096
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 335752
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230096
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   18, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   20, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 230104
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 230104
Tref =   24, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 690312
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 460208
Tref =   26, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 460192
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 460208
Tref =   28, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 691672
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 690312
GOP size = 30, byte index = 196236518
Tref =    0, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419496
Tref =    2, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, I frame bits = 418136
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419496
Tref =    4, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 629248
Tref =    6, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419504
Tref =    8, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 419496
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419504
Tref =   10, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 629240
Tref =   12, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419496
Tref =   14, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 419496
Tref =   15, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419496
Tref =   16, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =   17, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 629248
Tref =   18, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 629248
Tref =   19, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 419496
Tref =   20, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 419496
Tref =   21, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 209752
Tref =   22, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 209744
Tref =   23, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 629248
Tref =   24, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 209752
Tref =   25, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 209744
Tref =   26, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 209752
Tref =   27, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 209752
Tref =   28, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 211104
Tref =   29, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 209752
GOP size = 18, byte index = 197888291
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 96808
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 195856
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 346504
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 86288
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 155088
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 396320
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 212560
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 212568
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 212568
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 212568
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 212568
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 212560
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 212568
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 212568
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 212560
Tref =   15, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 637696
Tref =   16, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 426392
Tref =   17, TFF = 1, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 425128
GOP size = 2, byte index = 198473199
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 327216
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 195856

D:\test>

drewg · #23 10-23-2009, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicuda

@Drewg

Looks like it's telecined. now what?

Welcome to my own private hell, and the reason I'm still using an HD100.

Drew

_Demo_ · #24 10-23-2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewg

Welcome to my own private hell, and the reason I'm still using an HD100.

Drew

Are your shows also showing the same not constant pattern as the previous post?

Thanks

_Demo_

drewg · #25 10-23-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Demo_

Are your shows also showing the same not constant pattern as the previous post?

Thanks

_Demo_

I'm not certain how to tell if the patter is non-constant. Do you have a tool for that? From the tool that I was using, I certainly RFF=1 at different places..

Drew

_Demo_ · #26 10-23-2009, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewg

I'm not certain how to tell if the patter is non-constant. Do you have a tool for that? From the tool that I was using, I certainly RFF=1 at different places..

Drew

You can tell by the flags. If you are using the same tool :

TFF = 0, RFF = 0 means show the frame 1 time
TFF = 0, RFF = 1 means show the frame 2 times
TFF = 1, RFF = 1 means show the frame 3 times

For example in the one previously pasted for the second GOP :
2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3,1,1,1,1,1...

then a bit later in the third GOP it goes back to ...1,1,1,2,3,2,3,2,3...

We can see that their content is not following a constant framerate, I think this might be part of what cause the problem. If it was always 2,3,2,3... it would be constant 24fps since 60 frames in one second divided by groups of 2,3 means there are 24 frames.

Jean-Francois

drewg · #27 10-23-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Demo_

You can tell by the flags. If you are using the same tool

Yes, I pointed him at that tool. Here is some output from one of my recordings:

Code:

GOP size = 15, byte index = 162781872
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 221984
Tref =    1, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 370016
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, I frame bits = 1322016
Tref =    3, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 364384
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 348704
Tref =    5, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 645216
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 399776
Tref =    7, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 893920
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 413152
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 338592
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 514656
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 338976
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 311584
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 280736
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 304544
GOP size = 15, byte index = 163665404
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 234848
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 233760
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 901984
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 217440
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 163040
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 320480
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 137568
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 341728
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 349856
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 249632
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 217824
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 437152
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 206432
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 202848
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 402336
GOP size = 15, byte index = 164242520
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 299616
Tref =    1, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 339808
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, I frame bits = 1450976
Tref =    3, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 344672
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 597664
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 704416
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 314592
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 279392
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 606112
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 214624
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 282912
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 392352
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 245920
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 289632
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 353440
GOP size = 15, byte index = 165082036
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 219168
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 234080
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 958368
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 207584
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 255328
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 492960
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 231776
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 264288
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 408928
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 216992
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 228000
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 369120
Tref =   12, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 371616
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 375776
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 633952
GOP size = 15, byte index = 165765528
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 241824
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 249888
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 628832
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 256096
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 284320
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 336352
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 235040
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 262624
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 391840
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 244704
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 259744
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 391968
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 191072
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 274528
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 436192
GOP size = 15, byte index = 166351156
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 205024
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 185888
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 758112
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 226976
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 174304
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 402144
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 183008
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 187808
Tref =    8, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 372256
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 593376
Tref =   10, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 893920
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 879456
Tref =   12, TFF = 1, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 805088
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 600672
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, P frame bits = 690976
GOP size = 15, byte index = 167246032
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 253280
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 174944
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 960736
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 194272
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 137760
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 389280
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 341984
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 204960
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 353760
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 155680
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 268320
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 437856
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 192288
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 214048
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 491488
GOP size = 15, byte index = 167842364
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 163168
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 140192
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 1332640
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 163232
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 162016
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 451232
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 183136
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 215392
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 319584
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 196512
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 235296
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 476768
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 1, PF = 1, B frame bits = 255136
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 179552
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 412768
GOP size = 15, byte index = 168453192
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 180064
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 172064
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 823264
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 165216
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 143456
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 512288
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 134816
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 173920
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 448928
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 151520
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 155616
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 425184
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 197408
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 215520
Tref =   14, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 457824
GOP size = 15, byte index = 168997828
Tref =    0, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 186528
Tref =    1, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 156768
Tref =    2, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, I frame bits = 1291936
Tref =    3, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 176736
Tref =    4, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 162208
Tref =    5, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 442656
Tref =    6, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 204256
Tref =    7, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 209632
Tref =    8, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 352608
Tref =    9, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 225440
Tref =   10, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 167584
Tref =   11, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, P frame bits = 368096
Tref =   12, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 213728
Tref =   13, TFF = 0, RFF = 0, PF = 1, B frame bits = 231072

Based on what you said, it appears to be non-constant as well. Do you know what the broadcast equipment is doing here? Is it trying to do smoother motion by doing the inverse telecine itself or something?

This drives open-source software players (like Mythtv and mplayer) nuts. The only thing I've seen that plays these types of recordings back properly is my HD100 and 7MC. I'm very disappointed that the HD200 does not handle them correctly.

Thanks,

Drew

bcjenkins · #28 10-25-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicuda

Not quite sure how to accomplish that feat. I don't run managed switches. Gig-e is an 8-port d-link, 5-port is linksys. I'll check the HD200 screens.

You can always use a network cable with only 4 wires in it instead of 8. If you can make the cables yourself.

B

hemicuda · #29 10-25-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVSForums

WTVC HD Stuttering Issue
Doing a little more research the stuttering problem with some ABC HD programming appears to be an ABC issue not a WTVC issue.

It appears that ABC, starting sometime last spring began using an advanced encoding extention that some decoders do not handle well. Apparently they are transmitting about 40fps instead of the standard 60 fps and marking some as repeatable. MythTV and apparently some DirecTV STBs don't seem to handle this very well. This is what is causing the stuttering for some, and the audio/video sync issues for others.

Here's a link to the discussion on Mythtv-devs that applies.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/319838

It appears that baring ABC stopping this practice, the only solution people have found if you are using a computer based DVR is to throw more processor at it. Apparently using a higher power Core2Duo processor 'hides' the problem as MythTV then has enough processing power to overcome the problem and keep things in sync.

So, this whole problem is a result of ABC trying to save some bandwidth. In this day and age when the major networks could use every pair of eyes it can get to watch it's programming, it seems pretty silly to use non-standard encoding which makes your programming unwatchable for some viewers just to save a little bandwidth. I'm not going to put in a C2D processor just to watch ABC HD, I'll just stop watching ABC.

Demo: does that help any? Maybe something can be coded into the HD200 f/w to compensate?

_Demo_ · #30 10-26-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicuda

Demo: does that help any? Maybe something can be coded into the HD200 f/w to compensate?

I sent you an email with a test idea.

_Demo_

hemicuda · #31 10-26-2009, 06:51 PM

ok, just checked it. I'll give that a shot later this week. I'd rather not try to walk the wife through the process.

drewg · #32 11-02-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicuda

ok, just checked it. I'll give that a shot later this week. I'd rather not try to walk the wife through the process.

So, did it work for you?

Drew

hemicuda · #33 11-02-2009, 04:45 PM

yeah, sort of. It cured the stutter, but brought back the always-on subs on DVDs. Now if Sage can figure out how to keep the good parts of that fix and update it to the current goodness.

CodeDomain · #34 11-07-2009, 09:24 PM

I am having similar problems with stutter on HD recordings from my HD-PVR. Everything works great with the 20090505 firmware, but any of the recent firmwares result in very bad stutter to the point where it is unwatchable.
I am running everything through a Gbit switch, so I don't think the network is the issues (especially since things work great with the 20090505 fw).

Any ideas?

_Demo_ · #35 11-09-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeDomain

I am having similar problems with stutter on HD recordings from my HD-PVR. Everything works great with the 20090505 firmware, but any of the recent firmwares result in very bad stutter to the point where it is unwatchable.
I am running everything through a Gbit switch, so I don't think the network is the issues (especially since things work great with the 20090505 fw).

Any ideas?

This is a different issue than the ones in the few previous messages since it was related to the signal sent by the broadcaster. Could you try to run the software at http://www.speedguide.net/tcpoptimizer.php to verify your tcp settings?

_Demo_

hemicuda · #36 11-09-2009, 05:15 PM

More info, reposted from AVS:

Quote:

Not being familiar with your exact configuration, I am not sure what might be causing your synchronization issues. I read in an industry technical journal that some receivers synchronize MPEG audio-video only once during a channel-change. Over time, this can be problematic for viewers that leave their receiver tuned to a particular channel. Other receivers continuously update their synchronization. When your a/v timing gets out of sync you might try changing the channel to verify that upon returning to the original channel the a/v sync is correct. I have monitored the OTA and Comcast signal using a USB tuner on both PC and MAC platforms without any problem. We regularly record on the MAC.

ABC did make some encoding changes earlier in the year when they converted the entire network distribution to HD. This involved a change from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 transmissions from the network to the affiliate stations. During the conversion there were some lip sync issues, but the network has corrected those problems. WTVC takes ABC’s baseband SDI video with embedded AES audio and multiplexes it into an encoded ATSC stream for transmission. The industry-standard ATSC stream contains MPEG-2 video and AC3 audio. ABC/WTVC-9.1 video is 720p HD, long-GOP structure at a frame rate of 59.94 Hz; THIS/WTVC-9.2 is 480i video at a 29.97 Hz frame rate.

Regards,
Dennis W. Brown, CPBE
Manager of Operations & Engineering

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