Over-internet TV capture possible?

[scanner95]

Is there a working setup that includes:

• capturing TV from S-Video/composite output of sat/cable receiver
• Compressing it
• Sending over the internet to SageTV server
• Watching via HD200 extender
• Controlling the remote sat/cable receiver via the IR blaster inside the capture device from the HD200 remote

I believe this is SlingBox/SlingCatcher - like functionality. I've read some posts about similar functions achieved with HAVA; I'm interested in how this really works; specifically over internet and via HD200 extender.
Are there other devices besides HAVA and Slingbox which could be used to achieve this functionality?
Thanks a lot!

[sandor]

i think you would need the sagetv server on the same side as the capture device. then, with placeshifter functionality, you could watch/schedule/delete/etc all the content via the internet.

[sandor]

"SageTV Placeshifter allows you to connect to your SageTV Media Center from your home network or any Internet connection with any PC or Mac!


Watch live or recorded TV on your laptop wirelessly over your 802.11 a/b/g home network or your wifi connection anywhere.
Never miss your favorite shows, local news and sports while you're away from home.
Pick your favorite shows to record anytime, anywhere
Setup and watch SageTV recordings from any other PC or Mac in your home"


http://sagetv.com/placeshifter.html

[scanner95]

Originally Posted by sandor

i think you would need the sagetv server on the same side as the capture device. then, with placeshifter functionality, you could watch/schedule/delete/etc all the content via the internet.

I know I can run the HD200 in placeshifter mode. The idea, however, is to use some capturing device as "network tuner". The device has to be as plug-n-play as possible. I can not afford to have full Sagetv setup: this is my parents house, and having a 24/7 PC there is not an option.

[sandor]

The only capture device you *may* be able to configure that way would be a HDHR, which is a networked ATSC tuner. Downside is that it is only OTA and QAM capable - no encrypted channels, and you would be looking at 19 mbps per channel, so you would need to have quite an internet connection to serve it up.

Otherwise, you need something that would encode the video stream prior to sending it over the internet... as far as a 24/7 PC, isnt that basically what a Slingbox or HAVA are? a small dedicated "pc" for encoding video and sending it over the network. if you get a laptop, you could set that up at your parents house, with tuners, to get their cable lineup...

are you looking HD or SD?

[mayamaniac]

You can setup a WOL (Wake-On-LAN) if that computer supports it. Then you have it turn on when you need to use it to record something, and use remote desktop to put it back to sleep when you are done. And still use the HD200 in Placeshifter mode.

[scanner95]

Originally Posted by sandor

The only capture device you *may* be able to configure that way would be a HDHR, which is a networked ATSC tuner. Downside is that it is only OTA and QAM capable - no encrypted channels, and you would be looking at 19 mbps per channel, so you would need to have quite an internet connection to serve it up.

Otherwise, you need something that would encode the video stream prior to sending it over the internet... as far as a 24/7 PC, isnt that basically what a Slingbox or HAVA are? a small dedicated "pc" for encoding video and sending it over the network. if you get a laptop, you could set that up at your parents house, with tuners, to get their cable lineup...

are you looking HD or SD?

I'm looking at SD. However, the capture device has to get the signal from S-Video or composite outputs of the sat/cable decoder, since the content is encrypted there. Hence the request for remote channel change via IR blaster.
Basically I've read some posts here about something close to that achieved with Hava (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...highlight=hava). One thing I'm not sure of is whether this works on HD200...

[Jason]

Originally Posted by scanner95

I'm looking at SD. However, the capture device has to get the signal from S-Video or composite outputs of the sat/cable decoder, since the content is encrypted there. Hence the request for remote channel change via IR blaster.
Basically I've read some posts here about something close to that achieved with Hava (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...highlight=hava). One thing I'm not sure of is whether this works on HD200...

You hit it right on the head... The HAVA unit can accept your signal and record it to a network (local...) hard drive that the 'tuner' has access to. The recording can then be played back just like any other recording...

It is a cheap, stand-alone, network tuner... simple. Well, not exactly simple, since Monsoon make you jump through hoops...

[sandor]

Originally Posted by Jason

You hit it right on the head... The HAVA unit can accept your signal and record it to a network (local...) hard drive that the 'tuner' has access to. The recording can then be played back just like any other recording...

It is a cheap, stand-alone, network tuner... simple. Well, not exactly simple, since Monsoon make you jump through hoops...

so Jason, is the HAVA HD unit --> http://www.myhava.com/product_hava_titanium_hd.html

similar to the HD-PVR?? capture HD over component from a set top box?

[Jason]

Originally Posted by sandor

so Jason, is the HAVA HD unit --> http://www.myhava.com/product_hava_titanium_hd.html

similar to the HD-PVR?? capture HD over component from a set top box?

Well... Yes... and No...



Did that confuse you?

HD on the HAVA is truly a misnomer... It does NOT record HD (720p/1080i/1080p) in the same sense that the HD-PVR does. It can CAPTURE those resolutions via it's component inputs but then it RECORDS into the standard .mpg non-HD format (up to 30Mbps full D1 MPEG-2...).

All of the HAVA units have the following virtual tuner specs...

Driver on the PC represents the HAVA devices as "Virtual" WDM TV Tuner device, fully compatible with Windows Media Center under Windows XP and Windows Vista.
This allows to fully enable the TV Feature of an MCE PC via the home network, without requiring a TV tuner and TV source connection on the PC.

-Jason

[scanner95]

Originally Posted by Jason

You hit it right on the head... The HAVA unit can accept your signal and record it to a network (local...) hard drive that the 'tuner' has access to. The recording can then be played back just like any other recording...

It is a cheap, stand-alone, network tuner... simple. Well, not exactly simple, since Monsoon make you jump through hoops...

In that sense, my questions are as follows:
1. Is it possible to use HAVA similar to tuner card in SageTV server - to watch live TV channels (well, semi-live since Sage is recording anyhow)?
2. If the answer to above is yes - is the same doable on the HD200 as opposed to the server directly?
3. And finally, if answers to 1 and 2 are "yes" - is it possibly to change channels on HAVA from HD200 remote?

[sandor]

scanner -
without first hand experience, i believe the answer to #2 is "no"

you would need a sagetv server for the HD200 to interact with any tuner.

[scanner95]

Originally Posted by sandor

scanner -
without first hand experience, i believe the answer to #2 is "no"

you would need a sagetv server for the HD200 to interact with any tuner.

Oh, I apologize for not being clear enough. No. 2 should look like:
1. Is it possible to use HAVA similar to tuner card in SageTV server - to watch live TV channels (well, semi-live since Sage is recording anyhow)?
2. If the answer to above is yes - is the same doable on the HD200 in extender mode as opposed to the SageTV server or client?
3. And finally, if answers to 1 and 2 are "yes" - is it possibly to change channels on HAVA from HD200 remote?

[mikejaner]

Originally Posted by scanner95

Oh, I apologize for not being clear enough. No. 2 should look like:
1. Is it possible to use HAVA similar to tuner card in SageTV server - to watch live TV channels (well, semi-live since Sage is recording anyhow)?
2. If the answer to above is yes - is the same doable on the HD200 in extender mode as opposed to the SageTV server or client?
3. And finally, if answers to 1 and 2 are "yes" - is it possibly to change channels on HAVA from HD200 remote?

None of what you want to do is going to work (SageTV/HD200), because you do not want a computer at your parents house. No matter what network capture device you have (Hava, or HDHR), you need to be able to capture what it is putting out at the full bitrate that it sends the data (5-20 Mbps) Because it doesn't sound like your parents house has a business class FIOS or other high speed line with that type of upload, you have no choice in your situation.
Rather than dwell on your limitation, why don't you build a cheap PC, which is pre configured, and as plug and play as it gets. Then you don't have to do anything but tell them to plug it in to power, network, and composite/svideo+audio to the tuner card and turn it on. If you do it right,

They won't have do think about it after that, like------
Auto Login: start run "control userpasswords2"
Remote Control: Logmein free
SageTV: Run as service, preconfigured with the placeshifter login etc....
If you have any more questions about this type of config, or need more in depth assistance, I have done this for various relatives in the past, so, I have some experience.

Hope this helps