Hauppauge 2250 problems w/ sage 6.5

[LehighBri]

I had the same issue as paulbeers and same story here. I uninstalled the latest betas I've been using and reverted back to the original 4.7 official CD drivers on the hauppauge site and the issue is not present! Looks like the issue was introduced in subsequent release of the driver. I've let hauppauge support know this and I suggest you do the same.

[SHS]

LehighBri I would love to go back 7.3.0.26198 but need to say the ATSC on my end only rev 7 out 21 ATSC channel and I all ready email the dev

[js603]

So I've spent a week on this so far.. and have hit the point where I'd like some schooling.

Running 2 of the 2250s: Driver Version 7.3.0.26198 (7/16/2008)
- (From the 4.7 CD)

Vista Ultimate
SageTV 6.5.9.204

w/4 DirecTV D12s:

2 Composite

2 SVID+MiniJack
- I would prefer using a simple RG6 Coax if this was possible

Looking to do 4 SD, which if I read this thread correctly is possible with the current state of 2250 drivers?

I have cabled the daughtercards per the following:

http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/manua...-kit-v1.4b.pdf

.. and the reverse.

I can activate the Composite sources (on 7164 #2 and #4), whether they are 'Compsite' or 'Composite_2' depends on how the daughtercards are aligned.

I get 'No Signal' on 7164 #1, and #3 with the combinations I have tried (TV Tuner, SVideo, SVideo_2) while using #2 and #4.

I'd rather not scrap the 2250s if it's possible to do what I'm looking for, and it's not too far into this to scrap Vista in favor of XP, just looking for some insight in how to do this.

Edit: If I change to the 4.8a Beta Drivers (7.6.1.27076 - 3/17/2009) I receive signal from SVID/Composite inputs on each tuner card, however if both are in use it's degraded and sluggish.

Thanks,

[paulbeers]

I can only tell you about my setup. I am running XP Pro 32-bit and running the last official drivers (July of last year) and I am able to use all 4 inputs (obviously only 2 at a time). In other words I can run two Analog, or 2 Digital or a combination with no problems.

[js603]

Here's some other troubleshooting I've done:

4 D12s still. 2 Composite / 2 "TV Tuner" Channel 3 connections

Composite Daughtercards cabled to:

http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/manua...-kit-v1.4b.pdf

With the 4.7 (7/2008) driver: "No Signal" on TV Tuner Inputs, Signal on Composite

With the 4.8a (3/17/2009) driver: Signal on all 4 Inputs. If I try to record on 1 "TV Tuner" & 1 Composite simultaenously (linked to the same card) I get freezes.

I still don't know if I'm cabling this as I should be for my usage scenario, so any help there would be appreciated.

Thanks,

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by js603

Here's some other troubleshooting I've done:

4 D12s still. 2 Composite / 2 "TV Tuner" Channel 3 connections

Composite Daughtercards cabled to:

http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/manua...-kit-v1.4b.pdf

With the 4.7 (7/2008) driver: "No Signal" on TV Tuner Inputs, Signal on Composite

With the 4.8a (3/17/2009) driver: Signal on all 4 Inputs. If I try to record on 1 "TV Tuner" & 1 Composite simultaenously (linked to the same card) I get freezes.

I still don't know if I'm cabling this as I should be for my usage scenario, so any help there would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Well I think I see part of your problem. You are trying to hook 2 D12's via coax? How is Sage going to control the D12's via coax? Can you even setup an IR blaster? I mean I guess you could, but how did you run the two signals from the D12? Did you use a combiner? This would seriously reduce the signal entering the HVR2250 and could cause some of the issues with getting the "No Signal" issues.

[js603]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

Well I think I see part of your problem. You are trying to hook 2 D12's via coax? How is Sage going to control the D12's via coax? Can you even setup an IR blaster? I mean I guess you could, but how did you run the two signals from the D12? Did you use a combiner? This would seriously reduce the signal entering the HVR2250 and could cause some of the issues with getting the "No Signal" issues.

2 2250s

2250 #1: D12 #1 - Composite Daughter
: D12 #2 - Coax
2250 #2: D12 #3 - Composite Daughter
: D12 #4 - Coax

I have also used the SVID/MiniJack interface on the card as well.. with the same result as the TV Tuner, where I can't utilize 2 analog signals on the same 2250 simultaneously. (The only difference being that the 4.7 driver pack generates "No Signal" on the TV Tuner, whereas 4.8a 'works')

All controlled via serial.

[js603]

After scouring these forums, I'm not sure if rebuilding to XP will solve this.. would hate to waste the 4G of RAM though if it did.

Update: XP 32 w/4.7 Driver Pack allows simultaneous use of 2 analog inputs per card... now only to figure out why the HD-PVR drivers won't install.

..sigh..

[Opus4]

There is a driver update for recording two analog channels at once on the HVR-2250.

- Andy

[js603]

Originally Posted by Opus4

There is a driver update for recording two analog channels at once on the HVR-2250.

- Andy

While I see there have been some success stories w/Vista using these new Beta drivers (released on 4/2) I have not had the same luck. I had dialog with Hauppauge about this in parallel to these forums, pointing me to this same beta driver release.

The 4.7 drivers w/XP work as expected w/dual SD recording. so to say I'm frustrated is an understatement.

Edit: Vista x64 is where the issue presents itself, Vista 32 with this driver set work as expected.

[Stuntman]

Originally Posted by js603

Edit: Vista x64 is where the issue presents itself, Vista 32 with this driver set work as expected.

Yikes.. did I just shoot myself in the foot? I'm running Vista x64 and just updated my drivers for the 2250 to the latest beta driver.. can I now expect trouble to begin? I haven't rebooted the PC yet, so I don't think it is using the new drivers..

[DON3k]

New 2250 Beta Drivers

Name: 22xxdrv_27086.zip
Size: 9.2 MB
Updated: March 27, 2009

# Download the WinTV-HVR-2250 driver update: 22xxdrv_27086
# Unzip this file to a directory you will remember, such as WINTV. It will create a new folder. To install, open the folder.
# Run HCWDRIVERINSTALL.EXE.
# This will install the WinTV-HVR-2250 base driver. At the completion of the driver install, you should see a message which says Drivers have been updated successfully.

http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/softw...xdrv_27086.zip

I installed them. The update seems to take a few mins. Just let it run, and it should update the drivers automatically. Seems like it just sat there for about 3 mins doing nothing before it finished.

[bnh]

just installed one of these, but having a frustrating time configuring the channel lineup. I had to install the beta driver: 4/2/2009, 7.6.1.27091 since the driver on the delivered CD (4.7) had a lot of blocking/pixelation and the beta appears to have resolved that.

i thought this card was going to allow me to have both analog and QAM digital channels on the same lineup, and two tuners related to that lineup. Is there a FAQ on configuring this card with Sage? I haven't found one yet, but i see some posts that say what i want to do appears to be working just fine.

The weirdest part is Sage says this is always a Hauppauge WinTV-7164 Analog Capture device. I can choose a digital or analog TV input, but the first choice seems to be wiped out when i scan using the second input???

I think i need a dumbed-down, step-by-step, guide to get this going. All the channels seem to tunable, but i can't get them all on the same lineup at the same time. am i missing something?

[DON3k]

This is basically from memory, but it's pretty much correct. Someone may want to jump in and correct me.

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Add new Capture Device, select the WinTV 7164 Analog Capture, Digital Tuner, then pick Cable TV, and then let it scan for channels. It should find all of the QAM channels. You will probably notice that there's no Guide for your area for the QAM channels, just Digital Broadcast. These are the ATSC over-the-air HD channels, not QAM, thus their frequencies don't match what your scan found.

To map the QAM channels to a proper guide channel, since there's no guide for them (at least not in my area) You tell one of your inputs to use the Digital Broadcast Channel Line-Up - select the Over The Air Broadcast HD Line-up for your area - so that it retrieves the local guide. Then go into the channel setup on that tuner, and un-checked the green dots for all of the ATSC channels. This way it would never try to tune them, since they are obviously not really there - I have no ATSC antenna connected, and I assume you don't either. So to do this, I may have been able to choose the Digital Broadcast guide when I added the tuner, as I descried above, or I believe I just added one of the tuners again, like a duplicate, and this time I selected the Digital Tuner, but selected Antenna/Broadcast as what to tune, then selected the Digital Broadcast line-up for my area as the guide to use. You can skip the scan for channels bit, since it won't find any this time.

By telling SAGE that it will use the Digital Broadcast line-up, it makes this local digital guide available for channel mapping. And the Sage will still retrieve their guide info, even though you're really not tuning the ATSC channels and you've un-checked ATSC the channel numbers in the channel setup.

So, then you go into your Digital Tuner Channel line-up, which shows all the QAM channels it found, which it should have found just by scanning for the QAM channels when you added it as described in my first paragraph, and you then map these QAM channels to the ATSC channels.

Basically, while it really scanned and found QAM channel 52.1, you tell it to map that channel to the ATSC guide-channel of 4.1 for the guide retrieval. Thus when it sees The Office is comming on the local ATSC guide channel of WDSUDT 4.1, it really tunes into QAM Channel 52.1 and records the QAM broadcast of The Office.

Go into your QAM channel line-up and click the MAP key next to a QAM channel. What you want to select is the last entry MAP DIFFERENT STATION TO THIS CHANNEL. This will not effect the frequencies, but instead just a guide listing, and that's all that is really being changed. So all you're saying is, Station WDSUDT is not really on 4.1, it's actually here, on 52.1 When you click this option, you'll see the list of ATSC channels in your long channel list, just figure out what your QAM channels actually are by watching them, and then MAP that QAM channel to the ATSC guide channel. It's a bit time consuming, mapping them all manually, but like in my area, there was only 11 QAM channels, so it wasn't too bad to watch each, figure out what's on, then map it to the correct ATSC guide entry. Best to do this at Prime Time, since the networks will put their Logo's all over the screen during a show, making it easier to figure out.

That should be it. Sounds really confusing, as I basically had to figure it out on my own, since I was an early adopter of the 2250. At the time there was only a couple of threads here on the card and how to deal with it and none seemed to explain how to get your QAM channels to be listed on the guide properly.

[bnh]

thanks. i think i've got the mapping correct now, but should i have a WinTV 7164 Analog Capture #2 ??? I only have one. How can i record two channels (analog or digital) at the same time with only one device in Sage?

[bnh]

duh. for some reason sage.properties had:

mmc/ignore_encoders=Hauppauge WinTV-7164 Analog Capture \#2|NVIDIA DualTV YUV Capture|NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio|NVIDIA DualTV YUV Capture 2|

i think i have the 2250 operating fine now.

[DON3k]

Yeah, when you click to add a source, you should see two WinTV-7164 listed there.

The listings for the tuner will both say Analog, but when click on either, you select either the analog (TV Tuner) or the Digital TV Tuner. When you pick Digital, don't be surprised if no Preview Image is displayed. The digital card will likely be sitting on an empty frequency. Just click the Digital Tuner to proceed. Then, for the Digital TV Tuner, you then have to select QAM or ATSC. This is where the type-of-tuning selection comes up. Pick Antenna/Broadcast for ATSC, or CableTV for QAM.

You repeat the procedure to add the Analog tuner for each. So that both of the WinTV-7164's have a Digital Source added and an Analog Source added.

I also have two old Analog PVR-250's in my Sage that I've used for years and an old Fusion 5 that I no longer use as a source, but it's still listed with all of it's channels disabled. Since I have to real reason to remove the 250's, I didn't add the analog tuners to my 2250. So in my case I only use the dual tuners of the 2250 for Digital QAM recordings.