Best program to edit HD-PVR files?

[timg11]

Originally Posted by HelenWeathers

After you hit convert and add segment to the list the output format choice window should disappear and the main window will become active again for your next segment start/end marking.

I get to the point where the main window is active after adding the segment. I can locate the start of the next segment with the sliders and jog wheel, but the "New Start Point" button does nothing. (It highlights when clicking, but otherwise nothing happens). The start point value above the button remains at zero, and the blue bar above the main slider remains starting at the far left.

[timg11]

I tried Sony's Vegas Movie Studio Platinum.

I first used the TSMuxer program to convert a HD-PVR TS file to M2TS.
Then I opened it in Vegas. It opened in the media preview and a frame showed correctly. Then I selected "Open In Trimmer".
At that point Vegas crashed (VegasMovieStudioPE90.exe has encountered a problem....).

I also tried dragging the video to the timeline rather than using the trimmer. Also a crash.

I discovered that Vegas can open the TS files directly without having to convert to M2TS first. It still crashes, though.



Returning to the previous discussion of MovieShop, I have been trying various files and even installed MovieShop Suite to another computer. It behaves differently - instead of ignoring the new start point, it simply crashes when opening the file. I tried their SmartCutter and got the same crash.

[HelenWeathers]

Originally Posted by timg11

Returning to the previous discussion of MovieShop, I have been trying various files and even installed MovieShop Suite to another computer. It behaves differently - instead of ignoring the new start point, it simply crashes when opening the file. I tried their SmartCutter and got the same crash.

I didn't have any of the problems you mention. Just what I mentioned before. I have given up on MovieShop for the time being - it just doesn't seem polished. I'll try it again in a few months - or (continue to) wait for VideoReDo.

[davephan]

Corel has a product called Video Studio Pro X2. They have a 40% off sale on it till 11:59 PM tonight (I don't know which time zone they are talking about). The program is normally $100, sale price $60. I don't think I will have time to demo it before then. They have a 30-Day money-back guarantee.

Here's a link to the software:

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satelli...1#tabview=tab2


Dave

[ghostlobster]

I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned Andy VT's (babgvant) DVRMSToolbox. The new version comes with a great tool called DTBVideoEditor. Basically, if you have either Show Analyzer or Comskip data for a program, it utilizes that data automagically, cuts the commercials from a .ts file and outputs a sweet completed .mkv file in the format of your choice. I've used it for several movies and it's great!
Check it out at www.babgvant.com

[toricred]

The thing I'm looking for is something like QuickStream Fix from VideoRedo. I know the new TV Suite will do it, but I'm getting impatient. Is there anything out there right now that would work?

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by ghostlobster

I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned Andy VT's (babgvant) DVRMSToolbox. The new version comes with a great tool called DTBVideoEditor. Basically, if you have either Show Analyzer or Comskip data for a program, it utilizes that data automagically, cuts the commercials from a .ts file and outputs a sweet completed .mkv file in the format of your choice. I've used it for several movies and it's great!
Check it out at www.babgvant.com

you know i tried it out about a month ago... but my brain must have been misfiring that night because i couldnt seem to figure out how to get it to do what i want (output a 720p 5.1 ac3 mkv). Is there an idiots guide to get it working somewhere? or just some key pointers? Thanks

[davephan]

I also tried installing the DVRMSToolbox, then opening the editor, and the program crashed before the editor would open. I uninstalled, rebooted, re-installed, then the program still crashed when attempting to open the editor. I tried installing the DVRMSToolbox on a computer that does not have SageTV installed, so maybe there is a prerequiste program required.

I also tried the Video Studio Pro X2 trial. I did not find an easy way to open a video file or a way to save the edited video as a file. There options to save the output as a DVD and other formats.

I also tried Sony's Vegas Movie Studio Platinum briefly. The program crashed. I am also not very comfortable using Sony software given the history of Sony putting spyware on their products in the past - I don't know if Sony can be trusted.

I then recovered the computer to the image I took just before installing the programs. I'm ready to test more H.264 editors while waiting for VideoReDo to support the format.


Dave

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by toricred

The thing I'm looking for is something like QuickStream Fix from VideoRedo. I know the new TV Suite will do it, but I'm getting impatient. Is there anything out there right now that would work?

Try TS Doctor. Google it.

Gerry

[gplasky]

You could try TMPGEnc 4.0 Express.

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Gerry

[HelenWeathers]

Here's another candidate:
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-69563.html

I've used this on a few movies to trim the unwanted stuff at the beginning and the end. It's fast and just cuts. No downresing. Appears to be freeware.

EDIT: timg11, I see this was already discussed. The HD PVR recordings I have don't contain IDR frames. You have to go into Option > Settings > Advanced and set your cut frames to I and B in the two boxes.

[davephan]

I tried 3 of the programs briefly.

The TMPGEnc 4.00 Express might be the best choice. The GUI is pretty crude compared to VideoReDo, and it would barely function on an old Athlon XP 1500 test computer with 1 gig RAM. Maybe it would function with a faster computer.

The AVS Video editor is a demo version. I could not get the editing function to work. The program looks like it is designed for creating videos from scratch with camera and a "storyboard" feature to assemble the videos.

Warning! The MovieShop appears to contain a Trojan virus as detected by McAfee. The Trojan named Artemis! 79B40ED2A56B.

I recovered the test computer with an image taken before testing the software.



Dave

[davephan]

TS Doctor looks pretty crude too, and did not work. The error was DirectX failed to render file. I installed DirectX, and still got the same error.

The default is not English, and when I switched to English there is still some foreign language in it.

Dave

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by davephan

TS Doctor looks pretty crude too, and did not work. The error was DirectX failed to render file. I installed DirectX, and still got the same error.

The default is not English, and when I switched to English there is still some foreign language in it.

Dave

You need to make sure you have Hali splitter installed when using TS Doctor.

Gerry

[davephan]

When I installed TS Doctor, it installed Hali splitter during the installation procedure without downloading Hali splitter separately.

The TMPGEnc 4.00 Express might be the best choice so far for editing files for the HD-PVR, but the GUI is pretty crude, and it could not even be tested with the Althlon XP-1500 with 1 gig of RAM because the GUI was barely usable, since it was so slow. The program might function decently with a faster computer. I plan to test it on my 3.0 gig dual-core 2 gig RAM SageTV computer when I can have a SageTV outage and after I take an image of the SageTV computer.

I already own TMPGEnc 1.5 and 1.6, which I purchased before VideoReDo. VidoeReDo standard and suite versions. VideoReDo does a much better job than TMPGEnc 1.5 and 1.6 and the GUI is engineered much better. Another downside to TMPGEnc products is it requires an Internet connection. The product periodically keeps itself functional by calling home under the cover of the software, to help reduce software piracy. If the company ever went out of business or defined the product as obsolete, the software might stop working. I haven't heard of TMPGEnc stopping any products from working, but the risk is there because of the dependency of a periodic Internet connection to re-activate the product under the covers. The TMPGEnc language in the GUI is in English, but is clearly not proofread by a native English speaker. Sometimes the wrong words are used or the wrong tense in various areas of the GUI, which a native English speaker would instantly recognize.

Adobe has a product called Adobe Premere Elements 7 that looks like it might work. The product used to be just for digital photos. It could organize, retouch, share, and do many things with photos. The product looks like it might be worth its $120 price for that feature. The version 7 product also edits and retouches consumer video cameras now, but does not say the formats it will edit. Nothing on the website shows screen shots or specific details, only non-technical descriptions of what the products do.

Adobe has some very expensive professional video editing products, such as Adobe Creative Suite 4 Production Premium that cost $1699 which looks like it requires a 64-bit computer. However, the Adobe Premere Elements 7 might be enough to do simple HD-PVR video editing.

Adobe has educational prices if you qualify or figure out a way you can qualify for the discount.

Adobe Premere Elements 7 $120 educational price $69
http://tryit.adobe.com/us/premierelements/?sdid=EFOLZ

Adobe Creative Suite 4 Production Premium $1699 educational price $349
http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...es/?features=0

Educational discounts
http://www.adobe.com/education/purch...n_pricing.html

I plan to test the Adobe Premere Elements 7 soon on the slower computer, and re-test the TMPGEnc 4.00 Express on the faster computer soon.


Dave

[wayner]

It seems like VideReDo is getting closer - this was posted in their forums yesterday by Dan Rosen from VRD:

We will be pre-releasing a discounted upgrade to registered VideoReDo users in October. We will then finish up the packaging and release the final version a month or so after that.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by wayner

It seems like VideReDo is getting closer - this was posted in their forums yesterday by Dan Rosen from VRD:

We will be pre-releasing a discounted upgrade to registered VideoReDo users in October. We will then finish up the packaging and release the final version a month or so after that.

The beta is making good headway.

Gerry

[timg11]

For those who are waiting, I just visited the VideoRedo forum, and it appears the H.264 capable version is not available yet.

[davephan]

I've been using the VideoReDo suite beta that does work with H.264 files. The editor is harder to use since the editing is not as smooth with the compressed videos, verses editing mpeg2 files.

Of all the H.264 editors I've tested so far, the VideoReDo suite beta is the best one so far.

Dave

[wayner]

Originally Posted by davephan

I've been using the VideoReDo suite beta that does work with H.264 files. The editor is harder to use since the editing is not as smooth with the compressed videos, verses editing mpeg2 files.

I am not sure what you mean by this as I am pretty sure that MPEG-2 files are compressed as well.