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Old 07-14-2008, 03:10 PM
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Wireless HD...

Here is an interesting product from Belkin.

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Compton (CA) - Cables, lots of cables, are the hallmark of our modern living room, but Belkin has a up-market solution for all your wire woes. The company has announced its FlyWire system which wirelessly transmits HD video and audio anywhere in your home. Operating in the 5 GHz band, the FlyWire has frequency hopping and is robust enough, according to Belkin, to transmit 1080p video "with no latency."
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:46 PM
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I'm watching 720p and 1080i on my HD extender using 2.4GHz 802.11n. Cost me about $100 (2 routers @ $50 each). I just had to install free aftermarket firmware on one to turn it into a wireless bridge. $1000 is ridiculously expensive.
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:03 PM
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... right. Agreed with the comment above. I don't know the math on bandwidth requirements for 1080p but I'm sure it couldn't be worth $750 more than a good wireless router with the HD extender. I don't get it, either. Interesting that there must be a market for it even though it's going to be a $1K.

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About 3Gbps for 1080p60. That's tremendous bandwidth over wireless (just think how much trouble WiFi has maintaining 30 - 40 Mbps, and it has to be 100% reliable/consistent/solid unlike WiFi.

The purpose of this product isn't to replace things like extenders, it's to replace the cable between the source and display. Probably the biggest application of this would be in front projection systems where it can be rather difficult to run wires from the player to the display (within the same room).

All that said, I think you can run an HDMI cable for the $900+ price difference between an HDMI cable and this thing.
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:56 PM
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About 3Gbps for 1080p60. That's tremendous bandwidth over wireless (just think how much trouble WiFi has maintaining 30 - 40 Mbps, and it has to be 100% reliable/consistent/solid unlike WiFi.

The purpose of this product isn't to replace things like extenders, it's to replace the cable between the source and display. Probably the biggest application of this would be in front projection systems where it can be rather difficult to run wires from the player to the display (within the same room).

All that said, I think you can run an HDMI cable for the $900+ price difference between an HDMI cable and this thing.
Yes and no. For projection systems, you can use the cheaper system since most likely your audio video equipment would be in the same room. For this it would only be a difference of 600 (699-100 for high end hdmi).

The 999 version I am not really should what would be the point.....I guess you could maybe do some whole house wireless audio/video distribution system?
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:36 PM
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I think you can run an HDMI cable for the $900+ price difference between an HDMI cable and this thing.
For $999, you can get a general contractor to come to your house, cut holes, fish network cable, patch the holes, and repaint to match.

And if you can't, email me, and I'll do it for $999.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:58 AM
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About 3Gbps for 1080p60. That's tremendous bandwidth over wireless (just think how much trouble WiFi has maintaining 30 - 40 Mbps, and it has to be 100% reliable/consistent/solid unlike WiFi.

The purpose of this product isn't to replace things like extenders, it's to replace the cable between the source and display. Probably the biggest application of this would be in front projection systems where it can be rather difficult to run wires from the player to the display (within the same room).
So your saying this can transmit that kind of bandwidth? No encoding/decoding?
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:54 AM
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That's what they're saying.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:13 PM
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I'm watching 720p and 1080i on my HD extender using 2.4GHz 802.11n. Cost me about $100 (2 routers @ $50 each). I just had to install free aftermarket firmware on one to turn it into a wireless bridge. $1000 is ridiculously expensive.
What 802.11n router is able to run after market firmware? I thought it was just the Linksys G routers that could do it.
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That's what they're saying.
Stanger,

I'm coming up with <100Mbps for Blu-ray with 1080p24 + 8 channel PCM. How did you get 3 Gbps?
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:16 PM
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Stanger,

I'm coming up with <100Mbps for Blu-ray with 1080p24 + 8 channel PCM. How did you get 3 Gbps?

This device is used as a go between from your blu-ray player (or other video device) video/audio output and your tv. Your tv can not take the compressed blu-ray stream directly and so it is converted to an uncompressed video stream. Look up the HDMI specs and you will see why 3 Gbps is necessary.
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Stanger,

I'm coming up with <100Mbps for Blu-ray with 1080p24 + 8 channel PCM. How did you get 3 Gbps?
You're looking at the compressed transport stream, not the raw audio/video data.

This device caries raw video up to 1080p60 (I believe):

1920x1080*24bits/pixel*60 frame/sec ~= 3Gbps
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Did it say somewhere in the specs that it transmits the data uncompressed? That seems hardly efficient when it can just decode on the receiver end (unit plugged into the tv).
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Did it say somewhere in the specs that it transmits the data uncompressed? That seems hardly efficient when it can just decode on the receiver end (unit plugged into the tv).
"Furthermore, the company says the video signal is transmitted without compression and is of the same quality as if it were sent through an HDMI cable."

(From the link posted above)
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Did it say somewhere in the specs that it transmits the data uncompressed? That seems hardly efficient when it can just decode on the receiver end (unit plugged into the tv).
Do you know of any Blu-ray players, Cable/Satellite STBs, game consoles, AVRs/SSPs, DVRs, that output video as a compressed bitstream?
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:26 PM
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Do you know of any Blu-ray players, Cable/Satellite STBs, game consoles, AVRs/SSPs, DVRs, that output video as a compressed bitstream?
I don't have a game console or Blu-ray player, so ignorance is bliss.
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I don't have a game console or Blu-ray player, so ignorance is bliss.
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