MediaMVP

[IKK]

Looks like there doing alot of modding of the mvp on the shspvr site. Unfortunitly it is all for the BTV. It also includes a live TV option. Does BTV have support for the MVP or is this a hack. If it is a hack it is something that we could do to make MVP work with sage and have a live TV opion.

[gplasky]

I believe they are just pointing the MVP to the file that is currently being recorded on LiveTV. I would think you could do the same with Sage. SHS also has skins that have nothing to do with BTV. Check out his forum.

Gerry

[mlbdude]

BTV users jumped on this because they don't have Client Server yet so the MediaMVP was the only way to go.

Any of the existing skins will work but keep in mind all they do is list and allow you to play the files from a directory structure. One would be what the server is currently recording as Live TV. Keep in mind there is no real client functionality yet for BTV or Sage on this product so you could not change the channel on the server.

[stanger89]

Originally posted by gplasky
I believe they are just pointing the MVP to the file that is currently being recorded on LiveTV. I would think you could do the same with Sage. SHS also has skins that have nothing to do with BTV. Check out his forum.

Gerry

Sage TV does not have a defineable file to point to for livetv so it would be harder to do it in sage. It would have to search for the newest file or something.

[gplasky]

Thanks for the info. I thought the file had the program name? Are you saying there is a temp file or something that eventually becomes the finished file with name?

Gerry

[Deadbolt]

It does have the program name....but because they are constantly changing (whatever is being recorded determins the name), a single icon can't link to what is currently being recorded. In BTV, there is a temp file that is always called the same thing...the MediaMVP just points the "LiveTV" icon to that file. In Sage it gets even more complicated when you talk about multiple tuners recording live streams at the same time.

Deadbolt

[Crashless]

Just got my MVP. It's very cool, even w/o the sage client. Re: Live TV though, it may be possible to point the MVP to the most recent file in a directory, which would in effect give you live TV, or at least, whatever sage is recording.

BUT, this gets problematic when you have more than one media directory. I've just been sorting by date, and choosing the newest file lately.

This definitly isn't a great product yet for wives without the client. it's very confusing looking once you have a lot of files. But it DOES work. And it does what it says it does very well. It's just missing the elegant solution of a sage client.

Can't wait...

[ErsatzTom]

Maybe somebody could use malore's wiz.bin viewer to create a more intuitive interface for the mvp? It wouldn't solve the "live-tv problem" but you should be able to put together better show names, titles, descriptions, etc. Don't have an mvp myself so I couldn't say...

t

[sudipto]

For those of you who can successfully playback a Sage-recorded file thru MediaMVP, what recording quality are you using in Sage ?

My default recording quality is 3.25GB per hour and I am seeing occasional stutterring when playing back recorded shows thru MVP.

3.25GB/hr equates to about 8Mbps, which is within the range of what MVP is supposed to be able to handle.

[sixdoubleo]

Originally posted by sudipto
For those of you who can successfully playback a Sage-recorded file thru MediaMVP, what recording quality are you using in Sage ?

My default recording quality is 3.25GB per hour and I am seeing occasional stutterring when playing back recorded shows thru MVP.

3.25GB/hr equates to about 8Mbps, which is within the range of what MVP is supposed to be able to handle.

I was able to easily play back 3.25GB/hr files with my MVP.

First, make sure you have a newer version of the MVP software. Also, there is a TCP/IP optimization registry export from Hauppage. I had stuttering problems originally (no matter what the encoding rate was) and these two things cleaned it right up.

Have you verified for certain that it's only the 3.25GB files? Have you tried to play files recorded at lower settings?

[sudipto]

Thanks sixdoubleo !

I have seen the TCP/IP optimization in Hauppuge support site but haven't tried it yet.

I have tried playing back only 3.25GB files, nothing else. They mostly work fine, but occassionally (every 3-4 minutes) I saw the stutter.

[sixdoubleo]

Originally posted by sudipto
Thanks sixdoubleo !

I have seen the TCP/IP optimization in Hauppuge support site but haven't tried it yet.

I have tried playing back only 3.25GB files, nothing else. They mostly work fine, but occassionally (every 3-4 minutes) I saw the stutter.

I'm not sure what adverse (if any) effects the TCP/IP setting changes would have on Sage itself....since if your setup is like mine, your Sage Server is also your Media MVP Server. But after doing the changes, I never noticed any difference in Sage performance.

[Jason]

Is there someone out there who can 'skin' the MVP interface to give us a 'hacked' together client for Sage? We know that there is a skin for BeyondTV and a full client for BGPVR, but there is nothing that goes 'with' Sage...

-Jason

[SHS]

Keep your pants on Jason that was hint to boot

[Llamas]

How about higher bit rates? I have to use the highest (5.? GB/hr) rate, or the picture suffers on my big screen. I'm having issues with my MediaMVP on a client TV that I was chalking up to duplex issues. Am I going to put a lot of effort into solving that, just to find out that I'm attempting the impossible?

Thanks,

--Mike

[Cayars]

Originally posted by mlbdude
BTV users jumped on this because they don't have Client Server yet so the MediaMVP was the only way to go.

Any of the existing skins will work but keep in mind all they do is list and allow you to play the files from a directory structure. One would be what the server is currently recording as Live TV. Keep in mind there is no real client functionality yet for BTV or Sage on this product so you could not change the channel on the server.

Not is SHS's version, but we have other skins in the Dev forum on SS's site that allow you to have the EPG via the MVP and can change channels and schedule recordings. It is pretty much a full interface at this point.

When studio is release we "might" be able to use some of the information gleaned from this to allow us to create a good skin for the MVP that can control SageTV.

Carlo

[mlbdude]

Wow, that is cool. Can you post a link to the one that lets you change the channel on Live TV? It looks like a couple are there and I want to try the right one.

Thanks!

[Cayars]

Can you hold off a couple of days?

The reason is that the version that does the changes is a slightly older code base. SHS has put out a new one and I've got my own code which I think is better then the other one and I'll add it to the SHS base.

If you can hang on a day or two I'll test it to make sure it integrates well and release it in the forums.

Carlo

[Crashless]

Originally posted by Llamas
How about higher bit rates? I have to use the highest (5.? GB/hr) rate, or the picture suffers on my big screen. I'm having issues with my MediaMVP on a client TV that I was chalking up to duplex issues. Am I going to put a lot of effort into solving that, just to find out that I'm attempting the impossible?

could be a couple of things, what kind of network switch, and NICs are you using? Long cable? Good cable? Lots of PCs on the network? Multiple switches/routers? are you getting a lot of data colisions?

I have to ask: you are using 100bt right?

Check these out first, then how much ram is on your main server? is it a network encoder, or a stand alone? How much is data flying around your network?

These are all troubleshooting questions to think about b/c the TOTAL bandwidth can be limited to 100mbit/s (most likely less) depending on your network configuration.

also, when you're operating at the upper limits of the cards you're using (nearly 12mbit/s) you can't count on flawless performance.

mine's been fine at 2.5gb/hr, but that doesn't mean a lot b/c I'm using the 350's out. are you using the DVI out or a 350 on your bigscreen? You might want to check out your deinterlace settings if it's the former, you shouldn't have to have it set so high. If it's the latter, I don't know.

[Llamas]

Thanks for helping out, Crashless.

I bought a client license, and put in on a soon-to-be-retired P3-800. It can display the high bit rate recordings without difficulty (though it did take a video driver update to get there). So that isolates the network variable, at least to some degree.

The network is 100bt. The switch is a Dell 16 port unmanaged model. What's interesting here is that a cheap 5 port hub had problems with 100bt on the connection to the server (a long, 100+ foot run), connecting instead at 10bt. The Dell switch has no problems, and I have been able to transfer files from the server at 55-70Mbs, sustained.

The server is home to both tuner cards, so it is not using bandwidth for encoding (yet).

The server is using the onboard Intel gigabit LAN. It connects to the projector via DVI (Radeon 9600XT). I'm using the PowerDVD decoder and default deinterlace settings. I want to try the Elecard decoder and DScaler, but the latest version available will not work with the beta.

I may need to check to make sure that the tuning quality is uniform between cards. I know that one of the cards looks awful in the lowest couple of channels, while the other is fine. It could be that the recordings I'm looking at(that require a higher bit rate) are from the bad card on higher channels are not obviously awful when browsing through the guide.

In some ways, I hope that this is the problem, since it will allow the use of the inexpensive MediaMVP, and a whole lot less drive space (I've somehow managed to fill a 750GB RAID array over the last several weeks...).

Thanks,

--Mike