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Old 09-13-2003, 07:13 PM
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Compro TV Gold+ support?

I just bought the Compro TV Gold+ tv tuner, based on the tons of good reviews I've read about it. I've been trying it out on SnapStream and Showshifter, but then I heard about SageTV and decided to try it out. Unfortunately, it gives me an audio error when I try to watch tv: "There was a problem utilizing the specific capture configuration. Unable to configure the audio capture portion of the filter graph ErrCode=0x80004005"

Also, can SageTV do timeshifting on my card, like SnapStream does?

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Old 09-13-2003, 08:23 PM
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SageTV only supports hardware MPEG2 encoding cards. The PVR performance is so bad on software cards they didn't even go there.

SageTV does support timeshifting and lots of other cool features.
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Old 09-13-2003, 09:05 PM
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Thanks for the info, looks like I'm down to just choosing between SnapStream PVS and ShowShifter. Maybe if Sage TV ever moves from slow (and ugly, when SWING or whatever it's called is used, unless you use MS's excellent JVM) to fast C/C++ it'll be fast enough; SnapStream PVS does timeshifting in software perfectly on my XP2700+ computer (I've heard of <1ghz computers doing it, too, with a hardware mpeg2 decoder codec like the one that comes with NVDVD).
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Old 09-14-2003, 07:06 AM
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SnapStream is actually moving towards hardware MPEG2 as well. I think they have learned from their mistakes on that one. You just can't make a rock solid PVR with software, no matter how fast the CPU. Then you throw in multiple tuners recording, well then you get the picture Godd luck!
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Old 09-14-2003, 08:18 AM
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Yeah ask the Mythtpc users doing this on linux they can't get anything less than a athlon 1800+ to do dual software tuners on a system and then the quality is still not all that good. At least Mythtpc is more stable than Snapstream is.

As far as mpeg2 decoding goes well that doesn't take as much of a hit on the cpu as encoding does which is why it's better to have it done in hardware. The load is taken off the cpu. Which makes it fairly easy on a 1 gig system in sage to run 3 or more hardware tuners all recording at once while surfing the web or burning a cd/dvd or playing a game. Try doing that on Snapstream with software tuners.......

Ok thats kinda unfair but you get the point software tuners are just to restrictive and sloooowww not to mention require more time(CPU cycles) than should be needed to record a show. Basicly it's something that if it can be done off the cpu in hardware then it's better to do it that way, It just takes that load off the system.

But if you'd rather use a software tuner on snapstream over a hardware tuner on something like sage then well go ahead it's your life your choice but just not a very good one IMOP.
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Old 09-16-2003, 01:59 AM
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IGx89,

Regarding Java, I don't use any Swing in the core of SageTV. I'm quite experienced in high performance Java programming. It's just as fast as C/C++ in most instances...and I don't use the instances where its not as fast. I used to do war games programming for the DoD and proved to them the same thing many question (that Java is slow compared to C, which is simply not true) with a demo of a radar simulation program written in C that I then rewrote in Java. The Java one performed identical to the C one.

Java's not slow at all if you know how to program in it. And Sun's JVM is rock solid as long as you make minimal use of AWT/Swing (which I do). And all of the stuff related to the video system, hardware and disk access is all written in C++.

I'm a big supporter of Java if you couldn't tell.
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