Not all favorites show in recording schedule

[BigDaddyJ]

Hey everyone,

I'm trialing Sage and I'm having a bit of a problem setting up my recordings. I have created some favorites, set them to record new only, keep all, and manually delete. After setting them up, if I look at the recording schedule I don't see all the episodes that I should.

For instance, I set up ‘Battlestar Galactica’ and in the recording schedule the episode this Monday is listed (season 2 premier) to be recorded even though it's not a first run (yesterday, Friday, is when the new episode aired). It does not show next Friday's episode even though it appears when I select add'l airings and is a first run episode. I also set up '30 Days' with the same settings and the recording schedule shows only repeats and not the new episode that is on this Wed. If I change that one to be only reruns then it shows only one of the episodes which it also showed for first run. It shows these BSG and 30 Days episodes as First Run, even though it shows the original air date in the past. It’s doing this for every favorite I put in so any help would be much appreciated.

[nielm]

Is Sage automatically resolving a conflict with something else on Friday evening by recording the BSG repeat?

What happens if you increase BSG's favorite priority (Favorites manager; select BSG, press RIGHT, and UP several times untill it is in the #1 slot, then LEFT)?

(new favorites are always at the lowest priority)

[ToxMox]

Regardless of which show is higher on the list this example is always true:

Favorite X is on at 10PM today, 1AM next day and 11PM Monday a whole week later
Favorite Y is on at 10PM today, 11PM Monday a whole week later
Favorite Z is on at 10PM today

Favorite X will record at 1AM next day
Favorite Y will record at 11PM Monday of next week
Favorite Z will record at 10PM today

Sage will always record as many favorites as it can, if it can.

Now if we add Favorite Q which like favorite Z only airs at 10PM today then whichever of those 2 is higher on the list will record at 10PM and the other won't record at all.

All these examples assume using 1 tuner.

[BigDaddyJ]

Originally Posted by nielm

Is Sage automatically resolving a conflict with something else on Friday evening by recording the BSG repeat?

What happens if you increase BSG's favorite priority (Favorites manager; select BSG, press RIGHT, and UP several times untill it is in the #1 slot, then LEFT)?

(new favorites are always at the lowest priority)

Nope, if I delete everything (favorites and timed recording, so I've gor nothing set to record) and then just add a favorite (and it doesn't apear to matter what show it is as I tried this with several) I get the same behaveour. I just don't understand why it would be indicating that show are first run when there not and why it wouldn't schedule all the first run show of a series to be recorded.

[ToxMox]

Ok I see what you are talking about. Sage's default lookahead when you are looking at the scheduled recordings is 3 days. You won't see favorites etc pop up in the schedule until 3 days before it is on. This can be changed but uses more horsepower.

Also you are taking the definition of First Run very literally and this isn't how Sage defines a First Run Episode. I'm not sure where the cutoff is but 1 episode can remain in first run status (In Sage) for I'd say at least a week after the original Air Date.

[Opus4]

The EPG data comes tagged as First Run or not, and shows that are in their first cycle of airings are all usually considered to be First Runs -- they simply happen to be aired multiple times during that First Run time frame... when they get repeated later in the season, they are ReRuns.

There is also a FAQ thread that answers some of the standard stuff regarding how far into the future the schedule is created, why a fav might not be scheduled, etc.

- Andy

[BigDaddyJ]

Originally Posted by ToxMox

Ok I see what you are talking about. Sage's default lookahead when you are looking at the scheduled recordings is 3 days. You won't see favorites etc pop up in the schedule until 3 days before it is on. This can be changed but uses more horsepower.

Also you are taking the definition of First Run very literally and this isn't how Sage defines a First Run Episode. I'm not sure where the cutoff is but 1 episode can remain in first run status (In Sage) for I'd say at least a week after the original Air Date.

OK, the first run I would understand but I have shows that first aired over 3 weeks ago being recorded as first run, is that the correct behaveour? Maybe it's just me but I would think First Run would ONLY apply the first time the show was aried, casue after that it really is a rerun.

The 3 day thing I also don't understand. I have some favaorites that show out to 7 days. '30 Days' shows 1 recording on Mon (it's shown as a first run, but it's first air date was over 3 weeks ago) even though there are 3 episodes on that day in a row (all shown as First Run in the guide but), then nothing for Wed (which has a new episode) which I understand becasue of the three day rule, and then a recording on next Mon which shouldn't be on the schedule right? Why would this happen?

I also have a Favorite for 'Morotcycle Racing' which has 3 recrodings on Tue morning (correct) and 1 on next Fri. All my other favorites seem to follow the 3 day rule.

I just am a little lerry trusting that my shows will be recorded by what I am seeing in the recording schedule. If there is a way to move the 3 days limit out I like to try that and see what results I get. I guess I'm just used to the way BTV handles this stuff, it shows your scheduled recording out until the end of it's guide data (about 2 weeks).

[ToxMox]

You are looking at the Recording Schedule screen correct? Not just looking at the regular Live TV Guide?

This post in the FAQ explains how to change the lookahead:
http://forums.freytechnologies.com/f...05&postcount=7

[BigDaddyJ]

Originally Posted by Opus4

The EPG data comes tagged as First Run or not, and shows that are in their first cycle of airings are all usually considered to be First Runs -- they simply happen to be aired multiple times during that First Run time frame... when they get repeated later in the season, they are ReRuns.

There is also a FAQ thread that answers some of the standard stuff regarding how far into the future the schedule is created, why a fav might not be scheduled, etc.

- Andy

Thanks Andy, the FAQ was helpful. I change the look ahead to 2 weeks like I'm used to and now everything looks like I would expect it to. It is still schedualing shows that I would consider reruns as first runs but I can see whats coming up and change them to allready watched. Is there a big perfermance hit for running this way?

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyJ

The 3 day thing I also don't understand. I have some favaorites that show out to 7 days. '30 Days' shows 1 recording on Mon (it's shown as a first run, but it's first air date was over 3 weeks ago) even though there are 3 episodes on that day in a row (all shown as First Run in the guide but), then nothing for Wed (which has a new episode) which I understand becasue of the three day rule, and then a recording on next Mon which shouldn't be on the schedule right? Why would this happen?

See thw FAQ ToxMox linked to -- in the 2nd paragraph, it explains that the scheduler can look further than 3 days if there is a conflict for that show within the next 3 days. If you want to force it to record a specific episode sooner, use the Record command on that airing. The scheduler is pretty good... it just might take a while to get used to letting SageTV find your shows.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyJ

I change the look ahead to 2 weeks like I'm used to and now everything looks like I would expect it to. It is still schedualing shows that I would consider reruns as first runs but I can see whats coming up and change them to allready watched. Is there a big perfermance hit for running this way?

Yes, there is a little bit of a performance hit, depending on how many favs you have, how much show history you have, your processor speed, how many tuners you have, etc. -- it just takes longer to calculate the schedule. While it shouldn't hurt anything, a 2-week lookahead schedule really isn't needed and _might_ cause some slowdowns. I think I set mine to 5 days, since I wasn't satisifed with seeing only a 3-day schedule either.

SageTV regularly updates the schedule & the EPG gets updated daily. So, anythign scheduled 2 weeks out could get changed anyway due to EPG changes.

- Andy