Suspend/Standby - SageTV not waking for recordings

[Mahoney]

Hi,

Working (oh my how am I working...) on setting up an HTPC with SageTV. _Nearly_ there (having finally found some info on why EXETunerPlugin wasn't working at all); but I noticed last night that having set SageTV to do a manual record in the middle of the night and then put the machine in standby, it failed to make the record.

I have:
SageTV 2.2.8
Windows XP Home
Running as a Service (local system account)
MCE 2005 Remote acting under normal irbus.sys driver

I did not put SageTV into sleep mode; I just pressed the PC Power button on the MCE remote, which calls the WM_INPUT standby command and into standby it went.

I have not yet told Windows to log the sole user back in directly on resuming from standby. Is there anything else I need to do to get this working OK?

[Kanati]

If the system is in standby or hibernate it's not running anything. If it's not running anything it's not going to record. You need to leave the computer ON for it to actually do anything.

[Mahoney]

Errm, there's a large section of the manual and multiple threads on here explaining how Sage sets a time for the computer to automatifcally come out of standby in order to allow Sage to do precisely this...

[Mahoney]

See p.24 of the manual; also the second post in this page of this thread:
http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...&page=17&pp=20

[GbrNole]

mahoney, did you set your motherboard to s3 suspend? a lot of mobo's have a bad implementation of this so that may be your problem.

i think you would be better to use the sagewake utility.

[Mahoney]

Is that a BIOS setting? If so, how recent is it? My motherboard dates to 2000, so it's possible S3 Suspend predates it... I assumed that as I could click "suspend" in WinXP and it suspends, and wakes if I use the remote, I must have the necessary for SageTv to work, but perhaps not?

[Mahoney]

Looking at the BIOS manual for my motherboard there's nothing explicitly called S3 Suspend. It has:

Suspend Type
Select the Suspend Type. The settings are: PWRON Suspend, Stop Grant.

[amg]

I have recently started suspending my computer when not in use. It has been fairly good about waking and recording. Although I have had it not wake to record a favorite once this week.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Mahoney

Is that a BIOS setting? If so, how recent is it? My motherboard dates to 2000, so it's possible S3 Suspend predates it... I assumed that as I could click "suspend" in WinXP and it suspends

That might be your problem, I'm not 100% sure, but since you do it manually, Sage might not be setting the timer to wake it. Try and just let Windows suspend the computer automatically.

[Kanati]

Well... nifty neato keen... but WHY? Just leave the bleepin thing on.

[amg]

1) Noise
2) Heat
3) Power (costs money where I live).
4) Wear

[Mahoney]

5) So that it isn't a disaster if the unthinking press the PC standby button on the remote. I prefer my systems not to require specialised knowledge of what you should and shouldn't do.

[jphhughes]

First thing I would do is make sure your system is capable of S3 Standby. So outside of SageTV just test for S3 compaitability. Go into power management options in control manager and set system standby for one minute. ALso uncheck prompt for password under the advanced tab. At that point I would reboot the system and wait the one minute, be generous wait two or three minutes. IT it does not work then you need to verify if your mobo has this capability. In my bios setup you can cleary set the standby sate for S3 as opposed to S1 . Some MOBO require jumper settings changes for this to work.

I am using S3 with SageTV with no problems , But I am not using SageTV running as a service.

[amg]

This post describes the utility dumppo. It will show you the power managedment capabilities that the BIOS exports to the OS, and allow you to modify the windows settings on which mode you are in.

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[Mahoney]

Excellent - thanks guys.

[Kanati]

1) Noise

Understandable... Mine does sound like a small jet taking off...

2) Heat

It's not a space heater... It can't be generating THAT much heat.

3) Power

A computer doesn't draw a lot of power... You'd need a line logger to know how much it's drawing for sure, but on average (for the AVERAGE system, not an enthusiast's or gamer's rig) you would be looking at around 200-250watts. The average kwh of power in the american household is $0.0625. So that leads to some very simple math resulting in an average of 730 hours per month and the computer using 167.9Kwh per month... That means the computer is using $10.50 per month.

Unreasonable? Eh... I suppose you can say that... *I* wouldn't, but that's just me.

4) Wear

I guarantee you that constantly spinning up and down the hard drives is a ton more wear and tear on them than leaving them on continually. Not to mention stressing the power supply with repeated power-ups.

5) So that it isn't a disaster if the unthinking press the PC standby button on the remote.

I disabled that one immediately. Not that it matters a whole lot since no one touches my systems without my expressly telling them they can. Granted, I don't have evil little gnomes running around the house more commonly referred to as children. But that's only a bonus in my eyes.

I can see the interest in it by everyone, but I certainly wouldn't want that feature. But hey... whatever floats your boat is all good too.

[Mahoney]

I disabled that one immediately. Not that it matters a whole lot since no one touches my systems without my expressly telling them they can. Granted, I don't have evil little gnomes running around the house more commonly referred to as children. But that's only a bonus in my eyes.

Firstly I'm not sure I can disable it - I don't want the remote running through girder any more than strictly necessary as it seems to delay input so much, so I want to keep on using irbus.sys.

Secondly I don't want to disable it because then the question that gets asked is "why doesn't the power button work?". I guess you and I want different things; I'm looking for a fundamentally idiot proof system that pretty much anyone can use without having to be trained particularly. I certainly don't want something that only I am allowed to touch! I seriously thought about buying a Hi-Grade MCE 2005 box, but it was much more expensive considering I already have a PC & less configurable. And I don't trust Microsoft not to start trying to restrict what I save at some point in the future.

[Kanati]

To each his own... I hope you get it running in the configuration you want.

[cipher]

I am unable to get SageTV to wake for recording. To test, I configured Windows Power Management (XP Pro SP2) to go into standby after 1 minute. I setup a timed recording, then let the system go to standby. When the start of the timed recording rolls around, SageTV does not wake the computer. I use S1 (fans still going) because my computer doesn't support USB wake for S3 and I also use a remote to put the system in to standby and wake. Thoughts?


UPDATE: Further testing revealed that it does wake for Favorites and recordings setup via the Guide but does not wake for manually configured timed recordings.

[hmca]

My MOBO doesn't wake on a USB event either, but I still use S3 and when I enter the room to watch Sage, I open the cabinet door and press the "start" button. Two minutes later I am ready. Not perfect but you can still use S3, thus have no fans running 24/7.