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Old 01-11-2005, 03:42 PM
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A bit defensive are we???

I don't know how you can interperate text as emotion.(you said I was biching and whining). I was just making an opinion. I guess I should havve put a at the end of my post, huh?

Frey doesn't owe me anything I didn't purchase (with the exception of Studio which was listed as included with ver 2.0 on the website but we've already been thru that). I am talking about integerity. Saying what you are going to do and then doing it. Lately the integrity is a bit shallow. I mean, i get the whole damned if you do and damned if you don't. There were suppose to be announcements about 3.0. I understand that the announcement was about 3.0 for LInux. Well the majority of the users of this forum are windows users. Where was that announcement? Media MVP?? no spdif, no composite or dvi, no DVD playback, for me, I am done shelling out $100 here and $50 there for intermediate solutions so it can sit in my garage.

So I was chilled, but then the defense mechanisms kicked in and is taking this thread to another place other than what the initial post asked..

Tell me your content..fine, tell me your not content...fine, but telling everyone to chill out doesn't answer the question.

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Old 01-11-2005, 04:13 PM
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the only thing people are saying is to wait a few days. I can see if its been two weeks. CES was just this past weekend.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:15 PM
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A bit defensive are we???

I don't know how you can interperate text as emotion.(you said I was biching and whining). I was just making an opinion. I guess I should havve put a at the end of my post, huh?

Frey doesn't owe me anything I didn't purchase (with the exception of Studio which was listed as included with ver 2.0 on the website but we've already been thru that). I am talking about integerity. Saying what you are going to do and then doing it. Lately the integrity is a bit shallow. I mean, i get the whole damned if you do and damned if you don't. There were suppose to be announcements about 3.0. I understand that the announcement was about 3.0 for LInux. Well the majority of the users of this forum are windows users. Where was that announcement? Media MVP?? no spdif, no composite or dvi, no DVD playback, for me, I am done shelling out $100 here and $50 there for intermediate solutions so it can sit in my garage.

So I was chilled, but then the defense mechanisms kicked in and is taking this thread to another place other than what the initial post asked..

Tell me your content..fine, tell me your not content...fine, but telling everyone to chill out doesn't answer the question.

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Well I don't know who this was directed at...as I did say to chill out, but didn't use the terms "bitching and whining". Your original post asked for opinions on Frey's actions and how they were treating their loyal customers. I don't feel Frey is doing anything negative or abandonding any customers or anything of the sort.

I just said that it's a piece of software and it shouldn't be as serious an issue as it gets made out to be. Since day 1, it seems like with every major move Frey has made there was all this impatience about it...as if people's lives were hanging in the balance because Frey wouldn't give them an answer on whether "Feature X" was planned to be implemented. The 1.4->2.0 migration. Studio....MVP support, etc, etc, etc....

I just think it works VERY well as it is and I am happy. I paid for 1.4, I got the 2.x upgrade for free and both worked very well. The few times I've had problems, Frey was there to help. To me that's integrity.

When anouncements for 3.0 come...great. I'm sure the anouncements will come, and when they do, I'll see whether Sage is going in a direction that I wanna go. If it takes them longer to make an anouncement, it takes them longer. This has happened every time...and ya know what? Eventually the anouncement comes, the product gets released and it works great. Until then, my life isn't in this "should I go MCE 2005 or stick with Sage" limbo.

As for shelling out $100 here, $50 there, welcome to HTPC's.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:22 PM
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the only thing people are saying is to wait a few days. I can see if its been two weeks. CES was just this past weekend.
Precisely.

Kinda like the 8yr old across the street who runs over to ask me something the second I get home from work. Doesn't give me a chance to put my stuff down, check the mailbox or take a leak first.

That reminds me. I need to go see if anybody responded to my "I'm switching to MCE 2005 or ELSE..." thread over on the meedio forums.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:02 PM
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Then again, I was happy with Sage 1.4
Everything was so much simpler back then
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:11 PM
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I don't know how you can interperate text as emotion.(you said I was biching and whining). I was just making an opinion. I guess I should havve put a at the end of my post, huh?
Again, calm down, give SageTV more time to release the info like many people in this thread have said. If after a few months and still no info, then we'll join you with the protest, agree? But for now, its a bit early to be making picket signs.
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:48 PM
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OK, here we go...
Well, I think it realy sux that they haven't said anything about 3.0 for windows and the specs on the extender. Freys end users seem to be Frey-ing. But I am doing what I think is best for me.

How do you feel about Freys recent actions and about how they are treating their loyal end user base that have stood by them since inception, defended them against the compitition,and most importantly helped in the development by giving feedback to the owners and programmers???

Go for it man, do what you think is best. Personally I'm sitting back waiting patiently for things to settle a bit, weighing the pros and cons of the products available and how they fit my HTPC network's developement.

I feel Frey is doing what they think is best, possibly trying to develop the product differently than what suits some of the forum members. I am grateful for the support of all who continue to create great plugins and I hope they get some rewards for their efforts.

BTW, smileys don't change the tone of the text. If your complaining about something, throwing smiley's at it don't change a thing.

Now, I think tonights the night to upgrade my Sage to 2.2 to get Nielm's great web browser plugin and also rig up a serial lcd with that cool plugin too.

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Old 01-11-2005, 11:12 PM
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Yes because for some you're questioning their religion. People become so personally attached they will turn a blind eye and be more forgiving than they ever would towards a company who made say their lawnmower or refrigerator. Same thing happened among Tivo customers when the mother ship changed course and was no longer a cool 'people's company'.

What's happening at Frey isn't 100% clear, but what is clear is they have completely disengaged themselves from their customer base and consumers in general for months. I expect new money has ideas of his own, you don't just GET to be president.

It could all be good, it could all be bad or more likely somewhere in the middle. But I'm pretty sure its going to be different. Just in case, I've got a box in the closet all ready for my new Sage tarball

/usr/bin/frey_technologies/sagetv

Heh there could be some lost puppies around here.

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A bit defensive are we???

I don't know how you can interperate text as emotion.(you said I was biching and whining). I was just making an opinion. I guess I should havve put a at the end of my post, huh?

Frey doesn't owe me anything I didn't purchase (with the exception of Studio which was listed as included with ver 2.0 on the website but we've already been thru that). I am talking about integerity. Saying what you are going to do and then doing it. Lately the integrity is a bit shallow. I mean, i get the whole damned if you do and damned if you don't. There were suppose to be announcements about 3.0. I understand that the announcement was about 3.0 for LInux. Well the majority of the users of this forum are windows users. Where was that announcement? Media MVP?? no spdif, no composite or dvi, no DVD playback, for me, I am done shelling out $100 here and $50 there for intermediate solutions so it can sit in my garage.

So I was chilled, but then the defense mechanisms kicked in and is taking this thread to another place other than what the initial post asked..

Tell me your content..fine, tell me your not content...fine, but telling everyone to chill out doesn't answer the question.

Oh Wait....


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Old 01-12-2005, 03:34 AM
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Now, I think tonights the night to upgrade my Sage to 2.2 to get Nielm's great web browser plugin and also rig up a serial lcd with that cool plugin too.
Just remember that the latest stable version is 2.1: 2.2 is still a beta test version... (I am running 2.1 still on my live system with 2.2 on my test/dev system)

All my plugins are written for 2.1
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Old 01-12-2005, 04:43 AM
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Well I hopped into this thread hoping to get more info on V3.0, especially since its supposedly going to integrate better with the MVP and wanted to see what exactly is up.... MCE2005 seems cool, but its just not gonna work for me. GBPVR is what I switched to from SAge 2.0 and its very cool have an xcard OSD ( no stupid 2nd monitor) but the recording is a bit off for me and the menues are a bit slow (its the same for the MVP, and for working directly on the computer so lets not say the xcard OSD is the culprit...). Anyway looking forward to checking it out. I'm actually going to be trying out Ver 2.1 (or Beta 2.2 after I see what bugs there are) and trying out the alpha of the xcard OSD plugin once I receive my PVR-500.
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Old 01-12-2005, 08:27 AM
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Just remember that the latest stable version is 2.1: 2.2 is still a beta test version... (I am running 2.1 still on my live system with 2.2 on my test/dev system)

All my plugins are written for 2.1
ooops, thanks for the heads up. My Wife was using the PC all night so will have to postpone updates till the weekend.
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Well I hopped into this thread hoping to get more info on V3.0, especially since its supposedly going to integrate better with the MVP and wanted to see what exactly is up.... MCE2005 seems cool, but its just not gonna work for me. GBPVR is what I switched to from SAge 2.0 and its very cool have an xcard OSD ( no stupid 2nd monitor)
There's a new plugin for the Xcard, giving you an OSD now.
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Old 01-12-2005, 04:21 PM
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Thanks for the responses.
As I said i was feeling a bit ferklemped because of the issues I was running into.
Didn't mean to start this post off with a negative vibe.

Anyway I do have sage 2.1 with mce.stv and I do like it so I shouldn't complain.
Things will change and some people will like it and some people won't.
I have to remember we are in the middle of a technology change (hdtv, blu-ray etc..) . COnsumer electronics are now saturating the market and it is getting a bit overwhelming. I should just wait till the dust settles and then pick whatever technology will have the best longevity. It just frustrating when you spend the cash and then the new one that comes out a week later is the one you wanted..

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Old 01-12-2005, 04:38 PM
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Just remember that the latest stable version is 2.1: 2.2 is still a beta test version... (I am running 2.1 still on my live system with 2.2 on my test/dev system)

All my plugins are written for 2.1
well there are still even issues with 2.1. Don't forget the problems in pal-land with distorted sound which disables some users to use 2.1 (but the rc 09). And this is a verified problem; anyway there is still no solution for vbr mp3's which is @ least hindering me, throwing meedio from my harddisk.
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Anyway sage's information policy (studio, sagetv 3.0) was a clear catastrophy in the last months, i think i's still written on their hp that 2.0 has studio included. i have a big marketing approach in my current job and my customers would kill me with that kind of information policy (no, it's not the software industry).
i do not agree, that wrong information is ok in the software-industry, neither can i fully trust a company which does not say anything for months, and after months a simple "sorry guys, we've changed our minds".
This is no reliable policy !
I fully agree to rooster's post; and the "excuses" :"We do not want to give our competition information" - i can't hear it anymore. That's much to weak.
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They must have some reason they wanted to deliberately run their business right down into the crapper. Maybe they're expecting to get some huge tax write off in the end.
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"sorry guys, we've changed our minds".
"We do not want to give our competition information"

No-one from Frey has made either of these comments, nor anything close to them.

"i think i's still written on their hp that 2.0 has studio included."
nope... and it never was. It is listed as a frey product though...

There are so many people reading between the lines making guesses and then quoting other people that the accurate information is getting lost.

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Old 01-12-2005, 06:01 PM
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You've got to be kidding me.

Read this:

http://forums.freytechnologies.com/f...2&postcount=61

also see this

http://www.sage.tv/tech.html (which some might say is aimed at OEMs but I don't even think they hav it either so it's still not included.)

Now this is backed up by facts.....but it will still prob be disputed...
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FWIW, with respect to the SageTV tech page posted above.

Studio is listed as part of the SageTV technology. Everyone here running a custom STV has made use of this technology, heck everyone running the stock STV is too.

Sort of like nVidia's Cg technology, it's not an application that comes with your card, it's not something the average person can easily get a hold of, but it's somethe average user can take advantage of and benefit from.

Not to say it's not disappointing that Studio hasn't gone public yet. But I'm sure Frey has very good reasons for not doing so yet.

As for communication, we only have ourselves to blame. We got spoiled in the early days, when they were a very small company, and felt free to tell us everything that may or may not make it into Sage. Unfortunately they've been crucified a couple times when something took longer than expected, and they are understandably tight lipped now.
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ok

originally dated 8-13-2003 (YES 2003!)

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The Studio is essentially an easy-to-use graphical development environment for the 2.0 version of the SageTV application. Maybe that explains it a little better....as well as added many questions in the process I'm sure.
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there is another thread with regards to this...
This post was asking how one felt about what frey is or isn't doing. It wasn't meant to be a debate. I think because we are all system tweakers we cant follow simple instuction.....Idiot Savants (sp?) maybe???
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