Tried it.. did not like it..

[Gemini1706]

I am sorry if what I typed seemed 'in-appropriate' for some, so I delete my message..

Will try the next version...

Cheers..

[stanger89]

And how is that constructive?

[flagg0204]

If you want a plug and play solution I would recommend either buying a HTPC from DELL or Gateway, or buying a TiVO. The bonus of running an app like sage or GB-PVR is the ability to tweak it to your likeing. As far as your crashs are concerned, I have never had problems with sage crashing, and I am on a 2.0 install using Nielms STV. Maybe it was a windows issue and not Sage? Either way good luck with GB-PVR.

[insomniac]

errrr...i havent crashed my server or client in months. And those were due to my tweaking. Maybe you should check your skillsets and stabilize your $85 OS b4 you critique a stable application.

[Gemini1706]

hahaha.. why do not you guys take some criticism?
Sage is OK, but not stable.. too tedious..

and if you advice me to buy from dell ...etc., you should know that I am a power user/programmer, and do a lot of coding (that is actually my primary job Coding for living), and I know what I am doing.
SageTV is not the most stable thing out there....

Tweak my OS to make an application run smoother? How about this: GB-PVR is running smoother already..

I want to be able to record shows + view my media stuff EASILY.. PERIOD...
Running different settings after each crash ...etc.? I leave that to my day job, since I got pay for it..

Anyway: I am not saying SageTV sucks.. it is actually very promising, but thos things (crashes+ NO THUMBVIEW.. OH GOD..)

Maybe next version ...

Take it easy, and no matter what: enjoy what you are doing..

PS: I am pretty sure Meedio not gonna be any different from Sage in that department (small companies, minimal staff, little experience . blah blah blah).. stuff needs time to evolve and become stable.. so I just wait

Cheers..

[SHS]

Just wonder but did you even kill GB-PVR service before run SageTV Note SageTV also has a service you should disable that one to before runing the other PVR apps.

[insomniac]

Just by your statement, and your experience, I would venture to say that its probably your java installation. if you say that it runs fine in GBPVR, then you need to find what sage does differently. Since the software seems to be rock solid for most, then it must be a dependency. that would leave either java or codecs. Did your programming skills lead you to that same conclusion?

I mentioned OS cus it had a better ring to it

take a look around. Most everyone is up for months at a time....

Originally Posted by Gemini1706

hahaha.. why do not you guys take some criticism?
Sage is OK, but not stable.. too tedious..

and if you advice me to buy from dell ...etc., you should know that I am a power user/programmer, and do a lot of coding (that is actually my primary job Coding for living), and I know what I am doing.
SageTV is not the most stable thing out there....

Tweak my OS to make an application run smoother? How about this: GB-PVR is running smoother already..

I want to be able to record shows + view my media stuff EASILY.. PERIOD...
Running different settings after each crash ...etc.? I leave that to my day job, since I got pay for it..

Anyway: I am not saying SageTV sucks.. it is actually very promising, but thos things (crashes+ NO THUMBVIEW.. OH GOD..)

Maybe next version ...

Take it easy, and no matter what: enjoy what you are doing..

PS: I am pretty sure Meedio not gonna be any different from Sage in that department (small companies, minimal staff, little experience . blah blah blah).. stuff needs time to evolve and become stable.. so I just wait

Cheers..

[Gemini1706]

Originally Posted by SHS

Just wonder but did you even kill GB-PVR service before run SageTV Note SageTV also has a service you should disable that one to before runing the other PVR apps.

Ofcourse I disabled it..

The thing is, SageTV fine worked for me, froze a couple of times, and now it DOES NOT work at all.. just freezes at the 'Loading UI etc..' indefinitely..
Tried a few things here and there.. restarted many times, then it started becoming boring that instead of enjoying the shows I miss and find barely any time to see, now I am debugging settings/ properties ...etc.

Even when it was working, I was not very impressed by the design (I guess I was expecting too much from an $80 piece compared to the free one I am using)..
Example: NO FOLDER VIEWING OF ALBUMS/MEDIA?
No Thumbnail View/images of albums.. I mean when I ripp them that is the defualt format in almost all rippers..
Playlist: cofusing and no easy to navigate (I guess due to having to see ALL my files at once, instead of folder structure)..

I saw a message a cuple of days about the same issue (Freeze at UI Load), but HONESTLY, I do not want to be running for another month trying to resolve this.. I want to enjoy watching my media and shows..

[McTurok]

No list of hardware, etc.
No list of what worked and what or where it was crashing.
LOL, looks like someone just trying to give Sage.tv a bad rap.

Or, maybe he should look into getting help from a "friend" who knows more about PC's then him.

[Gemini1706]

I find it very amuzing that you guys take my criticism very personal..

I definitely worked with many unstable pieces before (even Windows as famously known), but $80 for a front end, and still needs a lot fo tweaking, not gonna work for me (I already spent my first week just trying to get the remote and USBUIRT up and running, if you saw my earlier thread)..

Do not take it personal, I am just EXPRESSING my frustration, since I am running for a couple of weeks without being able to enjoy the software..

Take it easy guys.. I never expected people to react sooo agressively..so I correct myslef:
SAGETV is the BEST Program in the WORLD. PERIOD.

Cheers...

[McTurok]

Originally Posted by Gemini1706

I find it very amuzing that you guys take my criticism very personal..

I definitely worked with many unstable pieces before (even Windows as famously known), but $80 for a front end, and still needs a lot fo tweaking, not gonna work for me (I already spent my first week just trying to get the remote and USBUIRT up and running, if you saw my earlier thread)..

Do not take it personal, I am just EXPRESSING my frustration, since I am running for a couple of weeks without being able to enjoy the software..

Take it easy guys.. I never expected people to react sooo agressively..so I correct myslef:
SAGETV is the BEST Program in the WORLD. PERIOD.

Cheers...

It's hard to understand where you are coming from. I've never had any of the problems you are claiming. It would be much different if you where explaining the issues you are having, because others could help you out or if it's a legit problem maybe it needs to be address by the developers of Sage.tv.

But I don't see you trying to do any of that, therefore I see your "frustration" as nothing more then a 'noobie' who doesn't know what he's talking about and is in way over his head in the first place when it comes to trouble-shooting a pc, hardware or software problems.



The way I see it, you get out of it - what you put into it. My systems been up and running for...... I don't know how long .... Many months, I never have to reboot, shutdown or anything, EVER!

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Gemini1706

hahaha.. why do not you guys take some criticism?...
I find it very amuzing that you guys take my criticism very personal..

Have you read this forum much? I mean, I think we deal very well with criticism, but when you pop in here, start a new thread and say basically, "Sage sucks, it's unstable" it comes off as a rant/flame batting and you get the appropriate response.

What did you expect? Are you looking for help? If so, why not ask a question.

Venting frustration? Maybe it's just me, but if I wanted to vent about, oh GBPVR (no offense sub, you just got cought in the crossfire ), I wouldn't go over to the GBPVR forum to do it, or at least I wouldn't expect any support.

I definitely worked with many unstable pieces before (even Windows as famously known), but $80 for a front end, and still needs a lot fo tweaking, not gonna work for me (I already spent my first week just trying to get the remote and USBUIRT up and running, if you saw my earlier thread)..

Back on topic, there must be something underlying wrong if Sage is unstable for you, I can install Sage, install decoders, setup my source and have it going inside a half hour. It was like that the first time I installed it (1.4) and every time since, even betas. Not saying I've never had trouble, but when I do it's usually because I've been screwing with decoders, drivers, installing a bunch of other apps.

Do not take it personal, I am just EXPRESSING my frustration, since I am running for a couple of weeks without being able to enjoy the software..

Back to my original response, how is that constructive?

Take it easy guys.. I never expected people to react sooo agressively..so I correct myslef:
SAGETV is the BEST Program in the WORLD. PERIOD.

Cheers...

Again, appoligies if you didn't mean it in that way, but your first post came off as flame bait/ranting, and as such, gets a rather harsh response. If you want help, everybody here is glad to help you, if you have contructive criticism Frey pays attention, and the members here are more than willing to listen/discuss, but if you just want to vent, take it somewhere else, since it serves no purpose here.

[Gemini1706]

Sorry guys (specially Stranger89 who helped me for months trying to get up to speed in this HTPC thing, in many forums AVS, HTPCNews, SageTV ...etc.).

I deleted my original text.

I apologize for being critical, but the I was buring in frustration that I did not watch any of my shows for a whole week, and the first week is spent just messing with making SageTV talk to my Dishnetowkr receiver properly..

I guess I am drunk

Cheers...

[salsbst]

I am sorry if what I typed seemed 'in-appropriate' for some, so I delete my message..

Will try the next version.

Just FYI, it's more than ok if you feel like taking a break from your HTPC for a while, but... waiting for the next version of SageTV is probably not going to help you if you have stability problems.

Those problems are almost surely to be solved by fixing them at their source, which is highly likely to be encoder/audio/video drivers or audio/video renderers.

[jominor]

Originally Posted by Gemini1706

hahaha.. why do not you guys take some criticism?
Sage is OK, but not stable.. too tedious..

and if you advice me to buy from dell ...etc., you should know that I am a power user/programmer, and do a lot of coding (that is actually my primary job Coding for living), and I know what I am doing.
SageTV is not the most stable thing out there....

Tweak my OS to make an application run smoother? How about this: GB-PVR is running smoother already..

I want to be able to record shows + view my media stuff EASILY.. PERIOD...
Running different settings after each crash ...etc.? I leave that to my day job, since I got pay for it..

Anyway: I am not saying SageTV sucks.. it is actually very promising, but thos things (crashes+ NO THUMBVIEW.. OH GOD..)

Maybe next version ...

Take it easy, and no matter what: enjoy what you are doing..

PS: I am pretty sure Meedio not gonna be any different from Sage in that department (small companies, minimal staff, little experience . blah blah blah).. stuff needs time to evolve and become stable.. so I just wait

Cheers..

Well, all things don't work for all people. I think that the exception that is being taken is the implication that somehow we are all using this unstable application that doesn't work.

Doesn't that seem silly to you?

I'm not sure what happened with you, but for me, Sage is stable, it worked easily, without any hassle. That's why I picked it after evaluating BTV and Sage. I tried BTV(then Snapstream), for 30 days, then tried Sage. Both were easy to setup, but Sage proved more stable.

As you stated, I get paid to write software, not to tweak TV. With Sage, I just use it.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Gemini1706

Sorry guys (specially Stranger89 who helped me for months trying to get up to speed in this HTPC thing, in many forums AVS, HTPCNews, SageTV ...etc.).

I deleted my original text.

I apologize for being critical, but the I was buring in frustration that I did not watch any of my shows for a whole week, and the first week is spent just messing with making SageTV talk to my Dishnetowkr receiver properly..

I guess I am drunk

Cheers...

Not a problem, just remember that if you want help, you get many more, and much more helpful responses if you ask for help. Sometimes it's the smallest things that can set the tone on boards such as this, and it's really easy for others to interpret your posts differently than you intended. For instance had you prefaced your post with "I need help" or something you'd have recieved help. FWIW, you probably had bad timing as much as anything, someone on AVS just started a thread "Theatertek 2.0 is a total garbage", which obviously it's not (TT has tons of very happy customers). That thread had no purpose (well it might have evolved a purpose) other than to vent, and at least to me, that can be annoying.

So don't take it personally, and if you would like help feel free to ask for it.

[kny3twalker]

just one thing I would like to add
the amount of RAM will determine how smoothly SageTV runs
especially if this computer is not dedicated
anything under 512 can cause the UI to be slow
GB PVR probably runs an easier to use UI
but we all love SageTV's UI and would not want a stripped down Version

if the UI is slow, I suppose that could cause issues
but mostly most problems are incompatible video card and video renders and decoders

I hope you can give it another shot, and let us her know what the issue are

[rkn555]

I have found at times if my harddrive is totally in need of massive defragging, Sage will be wacky.
but since i reformatted to the 64kb clusters, i havent had any issues.