MVP Client 1.3.0 (2005/08/16)

[insomniac]

Donation sent! Thanks again for this great contribution!

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[Matt]

Originally Posted by insomniac

Donation sent! Thanks again for this great contribution!

Thanks a lot!

Happy MVPing,
Matt

[vanlarry]

My MVP stops after about ten min...

I've updated all apps. (Java, Sage/Client) and it's still happening. After ten minutes of viewing live or mpeg video the screen goes black. When I hit forward it starts up again (stops again teen min. later). Tried a fresh install but no change. It might be another program or a loss of network connection but I don't know how to go about figuring out any further details.

Any suggestions on how to fix this would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[waynedunham]

Are you on a wired or wireless network? I have a wired network and haven't had any troubles. I haven't updated to the latest and greatest versions as of yet. I'm using Sage 2.26RC, Java 1.42_06, and I'm still using the 1.1B6 SageMVP client.
I haven't updated any of them with the recent releases because it's all working fine so..... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

I also have a Roku Photobridge (HD1000) and I have seen messages on there from wireless network users with what sounds like a similar problem, i.e. losing the network after a short period of time. I'm not sure it's exactly the same, to be honest I haven't followed those threads all that closely since I have my house all wired (10 wall ports) and don't use wireless.

[chrisc16]

Has anyone else seen this problem? Occasionally, when the MVP client reaches the EOF of a recorded show, my server will suddenly reboot. This never happens when I reach the end of a show on my other SageTV Client - a full blown PC - so I assume this is a problem with the MVP. I can attach the MVP0.log if needed but I don't think it will help since it was last updated 3 days ago (when I last started the client?).

Thanks,
Chris

[Matt]

Originally Posted by chrisc16

Has anyone else seen this problem? Occasionally, when the MVP client reaches the EOF of a recorded show, my server will suddenly reboot. This never happens when I reach the end of a show on my other SageTV Client - a full blown PC - so I assume this is a problem with the MVP. I can attach the MVP0.log if needed but I don't think it will help since it was last updated 3 days ago (when I last started the client?).

As a Java application, the MVP Client should not be able to something like that. Does it look like a clean restart or is really crashing Windows? Is this new? If so, can you narrow it down to a specific change you made (drivers, hardware, software, ...)?

-Matt

[chrisc16]

I thought it was strange that it was rebooting Windows... as for a clean restart... I'm not sure. All I know is that when I am using the MVP in my master bedroom to watch TV at night, sometimes when a show ends the MVP hangs, and then I get the contacting servers screen. I usually just shut the TV off and go to bed. But the next morning when I check my server, I know it has rebooted because all the applications that were running (including all Sage apps) are now closed. And there are events in the event viewer... I'll copy those tonight and send them to you. Maybe my Java install is corrupted?

I've just started using the MVP client recently, and it has been doing this the whole time. Again, it probably only does it every 4-5 days, not very often.

-Chris

[DIBU]

Originally Posted by chrisc16

I thought it was strange that it was rebooting Windows... as for a clean restart... I'm not sure. All I know is that when I am using the MVP in my master bedroom to watch TV at night, sometimes when a show ends the MVP hangs, and then I get the contacting servers screen. I usually just shut the TV off and go to bed. But the next morning when I check my server, I know it has rebooted because all the applications that were running (including all Sage apps) are now closed. And there are events in the event viewer... I'll copy those tonight and send them to you. Maybe my Java install is corrupted?

I've just started using the MVP client recently, and it has been doing this the whole time. Again, it probably only does it every 4-5 days, not very often.

-Chris

i have the same problem with my new server. but it is a problem from windows. i think the ram is not good or the sata will not work correctly with windows or the bios have a bug or it is temp. prolem or... or... or...

i go back to my older server and with the same sage and mvp client i have no problems. all the same on the older server but not the intern hardware.

[vanlarry]

"My MVP stops after about ten min problem" is solved! Ended up being a network issue. DHCP settings were amiss so was getting duplicate IP addresses which caused the MVP do hang.

Larry

[cmaffia]

Just got my MVP and Linksys wireless Game Adapter G and here is my issues.

MVP client wired = flawless
MVP client with wireless game adapter - losing network connectivity after 5 seconds every time. signal from Linksys wireless router is 90% signal strength in that room. Any suggestion???

Originally Posted by Deadbolt

Has anyone had luck with running a the SageMVP client over a wireless bridge (G or A)? I have tried two different Dlink models and have had disconnect problems. The video plays fine for about a half hour...then I have to reboot...it will drop.

Thanks in advance.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by cmaffia

Just got my MVP and Linksys wireless Game Adapter G and here is my issues.

MVP client wired = flawless
MVP client with wireless game adapter - losing network connectivity after 5 seconds every time. signal from Linksys wireless router is 90% signal strength in that room. Any suggestion???

Try setting the network cards to 100mbs/Half Duplex.

To make a long story short the MVP switches from half to full duplex and then back again which causes some 'issues...'

Force it to 100/half and 90% of the issues I have seen will go away...

-Jason

[cmaffia]

You can force the linksys wireless game adapter to 100/half?
I just checked the administrative setup via the browser for this wireless adapter. There is no way to force speed/duplex.

EDIT: I was reading on the SHS forum about the MediaMVP and several users there came up with the conclusion that the Linksys WGA54G game adapter does not work but that the Linksys WET54G bridge (which is about 30 bux more) does. I suppose I can return the game adapter and either give the WET54G a shot OR drill holes to the room next door and run a cable to the nearest wired hub. Can anyone confirm a wireless solution with a particular brand/model in this forum?

Originally Posted by Jason

Try setting the network cards to 100mbs/Half Duplex.

To make a long story short the MVP switches from half to full duplex and then back again which causes some 'issues...'

Force it to 100/half and 90% of the issues I have seen will go away...

-Jason

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Jason

To make a long story short the MVP switches from half to full duplex and then back again which causes some 'issues...'

Force it to 100/half and 90% of the issues I have seen will go away...

You have better success with 100MBit/s than with "auto" or with 10MBit/s half duplex???

As far as I know, the MVP only supports 10MBit/s (it uses full duplex during boot and half duplex afterwards) and forcing the network to 100MBit/s has caused problems for at least some MVP Client users. Using "auto" typically seems to work best (and if it doesn't, better get new network equipment ).

-Matt

[cmaffia]

Originally Posted by Matt

You have better success with 100MBit/s than with "auto" or with 10MBit/s half duplex???

As far as I know, the MVP only supports 10MBit/s (it uses full duplex during boot and half duplex afterwards) and forcing the network to 100MBit/s has caused problems for at least some MVP Client users. Using "auto" typically seems to work best (and if it doesn't, better get new network equipment ).

-Matt

Well for me I have managed switches and I forced my wireless router through the whole spectrum of speed/duplex possibilites. The fact of the matter is, is that the game adapters do not have robust setups where you can force it's speed/duplex. Wireless G is more than enough speed as my laptops use Sage Client with absolutley the same reliability as my wired sage boxes. Using "AUTO" is meaningless if the game adapter doesn't support (or doesn't properly support) 10/half duplex.

[Matt]

I have posted a minor MVP Client 1.2.1 update on streams.ch that fixes the problem where the CPU jumps to 100% for about 30 seconds after turning off the MVP.

Those not seeing this CPU 100% problem with 1.2.0 do not have to update to this version.

Enjoy!

-Matt

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Matt

You have better success with 100MBit/s than with "auto" or with 10MBit/s half duplex???

As far as I know, the MVP only supports 10MBit/s (it uses full duplex during boot and half duplex afterwards) and forcing the network to 100MBit/s has caused problems for at least some MVP Client users. Using "auto" typically seems to work best (and if it doesn't, better get new network equipment ).

-Matt

Matt-

The MVP supports 100Mb connections... Heck it supports both Full AND Half duplex.

From a post on SHS site, this post says it all...

The funny thing after analyzing the MediaMVP statup, is that the NIC when first powered on negotiates a 100/full duplex connection. After the application is loaded, it re-negotiates to 100/half. So obviously something in the software is switching the duplex.

This is answered by Bob the Builder (Linux/Hardware guy...):

The reason this is done is because the MVP NIC contains only 8k of ram.
Negotiating 100M full duplex would result in many lost packets. The bootloader initialises the NIC at 100M full duplex - and then it is configured to half duplex by the Linux kernel.

Video streaming at full duplex would likely overrun the 8k - and place an excessive load on the PowerPC ( too many interrupts - thus lost packets ).

In any case, 10MB would work just as well as 100MB for most videos... when you start the HD videos you would use the bandwidth up in a hurry though. The real meat of the post was to force your NIC card to Half duplex, which would help with the stuttering... (your NIC would keep trying to switch to full which would cause packet collisions... stutter)

I am assuming from a few posts back that the wireless adapter he is using cannot be changed... It looks like all this yapping of mine is for a mott point anyhow... it seems to be caused by an incompatibility of the MVP with his wireless setup.

By the way, I'll try and get that installer done this weekend... Too much real work instead of playing with the 'puter !

-Jason

[cmaffia]

My switch shows the MVP always negotiated at 100/Half Duplex
I have the linksys game adapter autonegotiated on the same switch at 100/Full Duplex.

I do not see any results in forcing to 10/half on either .. however when I force the NIC on the sagetv I definitely see results.

NIC on SageTV:
Auto - MVP disconnects after 2 minutes
100/half duplex - MVP still disconnects
10/half duplex - so far no disconnects after 30 minutes (which is a record for me) I'll leave the live stream on and let you know my results later.

PLEASE NOTE!!!!

A) My game adapter is 3 FEET away from the wireless router for all of the above tests so it is not a signal issue in my opinion
B) a 10/100 HUB between the MVP and the Game Adapter is mandatory (at least for me) or else frequent disconnects still occur.

It seems that the HUB and forcing SageTV server NIC to 10/half duplex fixes the problem. Let me know if anyone else sees results

Originally Posted by Jason

Matt-

The MVP supports 100Mb connections... Heck it supports both Full AND Half duplex.

From a post on SHS site, this post says it all...


This is answered by Bob the Builder (Linux/Hardware guy...):


In any case, 10MB would work just as well as 100MB for most videos... when you start the HD videos you would use the bandwidth up in a hurry though. The real meat of the post was to force your NIC card to Half duplex, which would help with the stuttering... (your NIC would keep trying to switch to full which would cause packet collisions... stutter)

I am assuming from a few posts back that the wireless adapter he is using cannot be changed... It looks like all this yapping of mine is for a mott point anyhow... it seems to be caused by an incompatibility of the MVP with his wireless setup.

By the way, I'll try and get that installer done this weekend... Too much real work instead of playing with the 'puter !

-Jason

[cmaffia]

Well I am going to call it a "work around" but it seems that plugging my Linksys game adapter and the MVP into a 10/100 hub along with forcing my SageTV server NIC to 10/half duplex makes the MVP very reliable.

I have been using it for the last 6 hours and I only had one disconnect and I was able to duplicate it: Playing MP3 while watching a slide show was a little too much bandwidth apparently.

[David Lawrance]

Well I am going to call it a "work around" but it seems that plugging my Linksys game adapter and the MVP into a 10/100 hub along with forcing my SageTV server NIC to 10/half duplex makes the MVP very reliable.

There's something that I'm not quite getting. My MVP disconnects every few minutes. It's also connected to a Linksys WGA54G adaptor. That talks to my Belkin Pre-N router via 802.11g. My Sage server connects to the router via 802.11g. A wireless client running on a P-4 system which is about the same distance from my router the MVP works.

Would I be better off using a wireless router configured as an access point to connect the MVP?

[cmaffia]

David,
What I am saying is get another cheap 10/100 hub (not a wireless one),
Plug the game adapter into that hub as well as the MVPMedia and force the NIC on your SageTV server to 10/half duplex and see if that fixes it for you.
Many people on SHS forum have found this a great work around. The problem is connecting the MVP and Linksys game adapter DIRECTLY to each other... why the hub between them fixes the problem....

Originally Posted by David Lawrance

Well I am going to call it a "work around" but it seems that plugging my Linksys game adapter and the MVP into a 10/100 hub along with forcing my SageTV server NIC to 10/half duplex makes the MVP very reliable.

There's something that I'm not quite getting. My MVP disconnects every few minutes. It's also connected to a Linksys WGA54G adaptor. That talks to my Belkin Pre-N router via 802.11g. My Sage server connects to the router via 802.11g. A wireless client running on a P-4 system which is about the same distance from my router the MVP works.

Would I be better off using a wireless router configured as an access point to connect the MVP?