Sage not recording Favorite

[matterw]

I set up a favorite to record a show and Sage did not set it up in the Recording Schedule. I looked at the Recording Schedule and it clearly did not have a show recording during the timeslot it was showing.

My system is: Sage Server w/ two PVR-250 boards (1 board has a cable box feeding it using the USBIRT device), Save Client 2.0.20...

Any one else have this issue? It's really frsutrating...

Thanks,
Matt

[Opus4]

Does this FAQ entry cover the situation? (There are 2 Qs in that post.)

- Andy

[matterw]

So, If I read this correctly, SageTV will update the schedule using my favorites each time it updates the EPG? 1) If so, how can I set the update of the EPG? 2) I see that it is recording my favorite, but it is picking a later time than the earlier one -- is even know there are no conflicts. Is there a way to change this setting too?

Thanks for your help!

[stanger89]

2) Are you using any padding? Are there shows before or after this favorite such that padding could push it to a later airing?

This is somewhat odd, this basic situation was found/and I thought fixed sometime back in the 1.4 days (favorites not recording at earliest airing).

[Opus4]

The schedule gets updated more often than once per day, which is how often the EPG automatically updates. (EPG updating is in the FAQs too.)

I think it tries to record the first airing, if there are no other conflicts. If you have padding on shows, that can conflict with other shows before or after the padded show & cause it to record a different airing.

- Andy

[matterw]

stranger89: Thanx for the info, but I am running 2.0 -- I am thinking that maybe it's getting confused with two tuners (one with a different channel linup than the other)....who knows?

Opus4: I would think it would record the first as well, but it's not working that way...

[kny3twalker]

what do you mean different channel lineups?
are you using two different sources
if you are just so you know you can only have one of each channel
only one ABC, FOX, HBO etc
so if one line up has all the channels the other tuner has none and you will only be able to record one show

you need to match the lineups where there is overlap
and have the extra tuner setup with all additional channels
I do not know if you are running two digital cable/satellite packages
but if you are using analogue and digital you will need to set it up as I explained
when using more than one digital package you are SOL
since SageTV only allows one of each channel
for reasons of the Guide data is different for each source so you would get duplicates of recordings rather than different recordings
ex.
you tell it to record Everybody loves Raymond as a Favorite
with two different sources being used for two different tuners
SageTV (I would think this was the issue) would record it from both lineups

[matterw]

Wait, here is a sample of my two tuners:

Tuner1: Channels -> 1,2,3,4,5
Tuner2: Channels -> 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Are you telling me that I need to tell Sage that it cannot have channels 1,2,3,4,5 on Tuner2 because Tuner1 has them already?

[kny3twalker]

no
not that you cannot have 1,2,3,4,5 on the second tuner
but that they must use the same source if you want both tuners to have them
so yes that would be the case if they are different sources

here's my setup
channels 4-13 for both tuners via analogue cable
then the second tuner has additionally channels 200-900(skipping quite a few of them hehe) from DirecTV

so you can have the same channels on both tuners only if they are the same source

if I got my locals from DirecTV (with my only one receiver connected to SageTV) then I would not be able to get my locals from DirecTV and my analogue cable
just one or the other

you get it now?

[Opus4]

As long as two separate tuners are using separate sources, it doesn't matter that they share channel numbers. Chan 2 on one may be NBC & could be CBS on the other. No problem. Or, chan 3 could be NBC on one & NBC could be chan 4 on the other. No problem. (Edit: As far as I can tell, anyway.)

Edit2: If something like TLC is on 2 EPG sources, but each source has TLC on a different channel number, TLC will be listed in the EPG as one of those channel numbers, though SageTV knows how to access TLC correctly on both sources/tuners.

The problem comes from trying to to use the same source/EPG lineup on two tuners -- you cannot disable a channel in one & leae it enabled in the other because they share the same lineup & thus the same channels.

Another problem is using two sources on the SAME tuner: basic cable to the TV tuner connection plus Digital Cable (through STB) to the svideo conneciton. In this case, I don't _think_ they can share the came channel numbers... if they did, which of the 2 inputs on the same card would be used?

- Andy

[matterw]

ok, I gotcha both... I will have no problem then... I have one tuner for analog and the other digital via the USBIRT -- two different tuners...

Gracias!

[kny3twalker]

As long as two separate tuners are using separate sources, it doesn't matter that they share channel numbers. Chan 2 on one may be NBC & could be CBS on the other. No problem. Or, chan 3 could be NBC on one & NBC could be chan 4 on the other. No problem. (Edit: As far as I can tell, anyway.)

I think you are wrong Opus4

I think he will need the channels to be the same and have the same source if he wants them on both tuner cards

Edit2: If something like TLC is on 2 EPG sources, but each source has TLC on a different channel number, TLC will be listed in the EPG as one of those channel numbers, though SageTV knows how to access TLC correctly on both sources/tuners.

This is incorrect as well(again I think)
since different source use different data you cannot have more than one TLC

If I add CNN(included in my analogue cable) to one of my tuner not connected to the DirecTV
then both tuners will use the CNN from analogue cable and in the guide the CNN on DirecTV has been removed

he will need to set this up as I said
split the analogue cable to both tuners and make the channels he wants from both tuners available to that source

and then add the channels to the digital cable which are nto included in the analogue cable to that source

BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE OF EACH CHANNEL AND THE CHANNEL CAN ONLY BE AVAILABLE ON ONE SOURCE

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

I think you are wrong Opus4

Well, it wouldn't be the first time, but for now I'll stick with what I just said.

If you set up 2 sources using 2 different channel lineups... let's take CNN. If I have it on channel 25 on one source & 6 on another, I believe it will use whichever one is currently free. When I tried it on my test system, it listed CNN only as channel 25, but it changed the channel to 6 via the USB-UIRT. I could see this being a problem if both sources are going to the same encoder card, but why would it be a problem w/2 separate tuners? I thought that was the whole point of being able to configure each tuner to use a separate source. Remember -- he's talking about 2 tuners, not 2 connections to the same tuner.

In my testing, I've had multiple networks listed for the same channel number in the LiveTV Guide (i.e. channel 6 is CNN and some local station), and I've had a single channel number representing multiple sources for the same network (i.e. CNN is only channel 25 when enabled in both sources).

Now, if a single tuner is connected to 2 inputs, I think there will be a problem in that it might only use the channels for the last source configured for that tuner, so I would agree that in this case you might be better off making sure those two lineups don't overlap.

If I add CNN(included in my analogue cable) to one of my tuner not connected to the DirecTV
then both tuners will use the CNN from analogue cable and in the guide the CNN on DirecTV has been removed

This fits what I just said. CNN is listed once. Your dual-input tuner should use the actual CNN channel for the last source configured for that tuner... according to the way I _think_ it works.

he will need to set this up as I said
split the analogue cable to both tuners and make the channels he wants from both tuners available to that source

His two tuners have to use different lineups, or SageTV will end up trying to record channels that require the STB on the one w/o the STB at some point. (One is digital cable & one is regular cable, or one is basic & one is extended cable.) In this case, there are 2 distinct sources/lineups and I don't think there is a problem.

How do others around here manage this when you connect 1 tuner to a converter box & one just directly to the cable?

I have no doubt that I could be wrong on my understanding of this, but I can only go on what I've tried out so far & what I saw as results.

- Andy

[kny3twalker]

Well I just disabled one of my tuner inputs and I could not in fact have more than one of the same channel
and in fact after adding CNN to the analogue tuner card
the channel was gone from the digital only DirecTV tuner card
and I was unable to tune the channel from the guide

sorry you are wrong

but it changed the channel to 6 via the USB-UIRT.

what in the world are you talking about?

and yeah I know he was talking about to sources, one for each tuner

In my testing, I've had multiple networks listed for the same channel number in the LiveTV Guide (i.e. channel 6 is CNN and some local station), and I've had a single channel number representing multiple sources for the same network (i.e. CNN is only channel 25 when enabled in both sources).

What??????????
you said it only showed one
and I just removed a source to make sure

How do others around here manage this when you connect 1 tuner to a converter box & one just directly to the cable?

They get stuck out just like me not being able to have all the channels on both tuners

or one is basic & one is extended cable.

Well I do not think this would be a problem
LOL
it is different than having to completely different sources

My analogue cable (Southwestern Bell) I can choose plus or basic package but they are the same source (same guide data) just how many channels you want enabled by default

Well, it wouldn't be the first time, but for now I'll stick with what I just said.

Well since you do not have a set up similiar to this
I think you could be wrong and if you read half a dozen other threads about people complaining about the same thing
you will know I am right

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

Well I just disabled one of my tuner inputs and I could not in fact have more than one of the same channel
and in fact after adding CNN to the analogue tuner card
the channel was gone from the digital only DirecTV tuner card
and I was unable to tune the channel from the guide

So, you changed it such that neither tuner is using 2 inputs? One tuner has just cable & the other has just DirecTV. OK, so try this: since we are talking about CNN & you say the LiveTV Guide lists the one for cable... make sure CNN is enabled for both channel lineups. Manually record a show on a channel that only cable has (but not CNN to make this easier). While that is recording on the cable tuner, try watching CNN from the LiveTV Guide. When I did this, even though CNN was listed once, SageTV knew how to tune it on the 2nd tuner on a different channel than where the LiveTV Guide listed it.

you said it only showed one

What I said is that two different things can occur:

1. If the same channel number is used by both sources but for different networks, that number can be listed in the LiveTV Guide twice: in my case: once for CNN on channel 6 (when CNN is enabled only on one source) and once for WXTV, which is also on channel 6 but coming from the other source.
   
   
2. If the same network is available on both sources, but on different channels, and it is enabled in both sources, the network is only listed for one of those channel numbers. Example: when I enable CNN on both sources, it is only listed as channel 25, though it can be tuned to channel 6 on one of the sources when the other is being used.

Well since you do not have a set up similiar to this

How do you know what my test system is capable of? I can set up completely different sources, look at the resulting guide data, and see how the USB-UIRT tries to tune to a selected channel.

I have absolutely no problem with possibly being wrong in my understanding of this. And, as I said above, it wouldn't be the first time. However, so far I can only talk about the results I am seeing here and wonder why we are seeing different things. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying, or are you just running into problems that need to have a work-around because you run two sources into the same tuner?

- Andy