An Open Letter to Frey

[samgreco]

Thanks fodder. I'll check that out.

It would make me very happy

[chadwolcott]

Sam,

You don't need the sendmessage utility to control sagetv via xlobby. I have been doing just that directly from xlobby for some time now. Xlobby supports sending sendmessage commands directly to sagetv without external programs at all. I'm not sure how recent your xlobby install is but I have attached my SageTV eventgroup from xlobby.

Chad

[samgreco]

Thanks Chad! This is great.

I just moved, so it gave me the excuse to nuke it and start over. So I will be installing the latest version of XLobby.

Hiller on the XLobby forum just posted that he was going to start work on integration as well. I will point him here too. Could save him a bunch of time.

[jominor]

Originally posted by chadwolcott
Sam,

You don't need the sendmessage utility to control sagetv via xlobby. I have been doing just that directly from xlobby for some time now. Xlobby supports sending sendmessage commands directly to sagetv without external programs at all. I'm not sure how recent your xlobby install is but I have attached my SageTV eventgroup from xlobby.

Chad

The reason for SendMessage is because it can batch commands to Sage. For example, you have no direct method to get to the archive library of shows. It takes about 3 events to do so. Using SendMessage you can have Xlobby or myHTPC send all three to Sage in one shot.

[chadwolcott]

jominor,

You can do the same thing with the event manager within xlobby as well, you can just create a sequence of sendmessage commands.

Chad

[insomniac]

Not to be a clog in the wheel, but this is way off topic. Now, im not trying to say that this should be a bagfest on frey, but you might want to split this thread off to a more appropriate support topic.

I.

Originally posted by chadwolcott
jominor,

You can do the same thing with the event manager within xlobby as well, you can just create a sequence of sendmessage commands.

Chad

[Ralphjb]

Originally posted by jmeeks
I fully appreciate Dan and Jeff's position and wish them well with their endeavours as their successes in turn have so far become our benefit.

I do have a question for the rest of you though because I don't understand the position.

Why does everyone want to integrate more media types ad front end functionality into 1 program that currently does PVR exceptionally well. When I want to watch TV, I watch TV (using SageTV), when I want to listen to music, I use a different application for that. I guess I don't appreciate the benefit some of you do having an all in one system. I would just like to learn from your perspective.

Thanks,

HERE HERE! I completely agree. SageTV is rock solid for recording and playing back TV programs. That's what I want it for. It does this very, very, very well. I have a Sage network running for 2 years without any problems. I don't want to lose that. The only functionality I will ever want added is the ability to record HD programming. I expect that capability will get in the program eventually - as HD programming becomes more available.

So let me add my voice - first and foremost keep SageTV the rock solid performer it is!

[mostlyfodder]

So in this thread several people have outlined specific features/goals they'd like to see in a PVR program. It would be helpful now to know if studio addresses some of these issues. Is there anyone reading this who is familiar with Studio?

[insomniac]

Since the thread has become completely thread jacked and is slowly becoming a studio thread (which is as far away as possible from what it was intended to be), can we please close it?

I.

[Opus4]

You can always stop reading it. I thought this thread was all about a desire to get more more people working on plugins, changes, etc., by working with Studio to extend the usefulness of SageTV and to make customizations so SageTV works the way people want it to work, along with a request for more information on future plans for SageTV/Studio. The only ones that might seem OT were the ones about using SendMessage, but that too came out of a desire to customize their usage of SageTV.

As for the above question about whether any of these changes can be done with Studio, I''ll just point you to the existing custom STVs that have been released, which change the appearance of SageTV and allow changing what is available on certain menus through the ability of some STVs to have certain menu items turned on or off.

- Andy

[insomniac]

hmm...welp..i stayed subscribed to it for the sole purpose that it was addressing peoples perspectives and thoughts on the direction that sage is and will be going in the future, not because someone wants to use sendmessage or wants a studio lesson.

I thought by my post a few above, people might get the hint, and possible start a thread that is relevant to their question. My bad...unsubscribed I am.

[x[corwyn]]

ToonGall I agree with you as far as my limited perspective goes on the development side. When you only have 2 people I think splintering off into different directions is not the best use of resources... The PVR portion still isn't 100%. I think that they should push to make that the best product they can, and either partner up with someone else for the "studio" portion or hire other developers for that. I just don't see how they are going to be able to support all the above and be able to improve the PVR portion. That does concern me. Especially given the hardware issues out there that I still think need to be rectified or will need to be addressed.

And I agree with you on the slick response...Like it or not, it still had no relevant information, but was mollifying for most users here I guess.

I'm getting pretty frustrated with this... The xCard support isn't there and that IS important to me. I'm afraid of sticking a 2nd PVR card in my box cause I'm using a roslyn. I have a choice pretty quickly here of buying a few more harddrives which means a new case, a 2nd tuner card, and then pay $10 a month for the 2 digital TV receivers I will need, or just go easy and get the DVR package for the sattelite TV we are getting. It also has HDTV support. The HDTV support issue with sage isn't addressed yet and is yet another Hardware issue which looks like Sage does its best to avoid. I like and demand hardware choices and support far more than gimmicky features and little things. Give me a product that does one thing Extremely well rather than a product that does a lot of things ok. I can see Sage doing that with a bit of work. Thats what frustrates me I see Studio going the other way.

[mostlyfodder]

insomniac, i do think we're discussing the overall future direction in which we'd like to see sageTV be taken. i almost feel apologetic to the developers since, hey it's their software and who the heck are we. but i guess, hope, and do believe that they appreciate the interest and thoughtful consideration of their baby.

i did mention studio in my last post b/c i was hoping to bring the discussion around to something conslusive. such as, are these issues we are discussing being addressed by the developers? specifically, are these features in sage studio? or, are we off track with our expectations/desires?

-fodder