irc channel for realtime Sage related chats?!?!

jimbobuk · #1 05-28-2003, 05:12 PM

Have we got an irc channel where we can talk to other users and possibly those at frey when they are available!?? I love forums but sometimes talking 1:1 would be nice.. or rather 1:many

I'd be interested in just "hanging out" in such a channel and still using the forums...

Narflex · #2 05-28-2003, 07:11 PM

I don't think we'd have too much time availability for IRC at this point. I got code to write.

But I think it's a great idea for the community in general.

I was thinking recently about having scheduled online chat sessions where people could ask questions realtime with Dan or myself.

I wouldn't want to have to create the backend, so I'm not sure about what technology to use for it. Would there be interest in something like this? Do you think we'd all benefit from it?

Omegadsl · #3 05-28-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Narflex
I don't think we'd have too much time availability for IRC at this point. I got code to write.

But I think it's a great idea for the community in general.

I was thinking recently about having scheduled online chat sessions where people could ask questions realtime with Dan or myself. I wouldn't want to have to create the backend, so I'm not sure about what technology to use for it. Would there be interest in something like this? Do you think we'd all benefit from it?

Yeah, I think anything that would make the Sage community better (not that it's not already good) would be a great idea.

jimbobuk · #4 05-29-2003, 03:10 AM

depends on how much integration you'd want with your current webpages... taking the hydrogenaudio site and chat as an example.. they just have a page describing what server they're on and thats it...

they put there channel on the vorbis irc server which is generally for development type channels rather than warez haunts that efnet and other servers tend to be...

I dont know about channel management, there are scripts and bots to do this, i think you can download them off the shelf and just leave them in there... hand out a few channel op privelages to otherwise maintain it and your set...

I'd definately be up for it.. and i appreciate that you guys wouldn't have time... you could sit idle in the channel and pop in when you wanted a break

Its true that your forum community and support is excellent anyways but realtime is always great... especially for the general questions about Sage that the community can answer rather than the hardcore bugs/problems etc which usually require your direct intervention... of course when bugs do come up the realtime medium is useful for talking through replications of bugs... sending files over dcc and generally communicating quickly...

actually just looked at hydrogenaudio to find the full address of the server but it seems they have a java app that opens when you click chat, which i assume connects directly...

justme · #5 05-29-2003, 04:20 PM

Narflex said:

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I was thinking recently about having scheduled online chat sessions where people could ask questions

I like the idea of scheduled chats. There is a lot of knowledge in the user base, and it would be nice to have some realtime discussions of where we would like to see Sage go. One concern is that many users may be new to IRC and it's procedures. This can sometimes lead to an elitist attitude by the more mature IRC members. Another concern is how to notify willing people of an upcoming chat. Maybe you could have an email notification option(with all the usual privacy stuff and a statement of the goal) on your site or when you buy/try the software. Still it is a very worth while experiment, as long as it doesn't divert too many resources from Sage development.

jimbobuk · #6 05-29-2003, 04:27 PM

scheduled chats are a good idea.. but i really would like to see full time chat online.. even if its empty some of the time.. I'd lurk quite happily whenever i could..

using a java webbased irc client for the newbies and its simple.. you put in your name and you type questions.. other uses could enjoy the benefits of mirc32 but it wouldn't be required...

JJarmoc · #7 05-30-2003, 10:19 AM

I think jimbobuk has the right idea.. a java-based IRC app for those who don't want to mess with IRC (there's plenty freely available.) with the option of a regular IRC client for power users. The channel could be open all the time, and chats could be scheduled periodically. I doubt many people would be there all that often, but as the community grows, that will probably change somewhat.

IKK · #8 06-01-2003, 03:16 PM

How about some online video teachings on tips a tricks. I deal alot on the hardware side of building computers but not much on the software side. So when it comes to setting up third party apps for remotes like directv or Cable it would be nice to have maybe a downloadable step by step video. Maybe some other tricks to.

jmeeks · #9 06-03-2003, 10:44 AM

We have been discussing and looking at creating some instructive videos.

Do you have some suggestions on what subjects you would like to see?

We are currently working out the logistics side trying to get the recording software to work the way I want it to, and produce a product Dan and Jeff think is acceptable.

IKK · #10 06-03-2003, 11:07 AM

I would sure like to see some instructive videos on at lest 3rd party software like how to connect the cableing for directv or calble and how to add the software for those products. Also maybe some tips and tricks for SageTV. I have read alot of posting saying there are alot of modifications in properties that can be done like adding picture album. Anyway that is my suggestion.

Keep up the good work!

dkardatzke · #11 06-03-2003, 01:17 PM

Go to www.sage.tv/developers.html for a detailed list of options you can configure in the properties file.

jimbobuk · #12 06-03-2003, 04:47 PM

regarding an actual place for people to talk... I've managed to get mirc installed and found the name of the server that hydrogenaudio uses...

I've setup a channel on there called SageTV.. the server is

irc.xiph.org port 6667

#SageTV

Its a start.. and its currently empty, bar myself.. I'll try to remember to be logged in on there when i can and perhaps some of us could "meet" up

its a start anyways.. if Frey get their own server or want to move to somewhere else then thats fine.. I only thought this one would be good as its generally for people developing stuff, and the server as a whole is a good community with little to no warez and the like flying around ruining it all

Watter · #13 06-04-2003, 07:48 AM

I'm probably being selfish here, but I'm kind of against this idea. I really like the fact that these forums can be considered the compendium of all knowledge (pretty much) regarding SageTV. The nice things about forums is that they're persistant and searchable as opposed to IRC. I know for a fact, that I'm NEVER going to have the time to participate in an IRC chat and I'm concerned that there may be a lot of information lost with the use of that medium.

What happens if a solution to a problem is discovered and discussed on IRC. Will there be somone responsible for posting the full text of that discussion on these forums? Unlikely.

A similar thing happened to me a few years ago in on an open source project I was involved with. Some folks decided to start using IRC instead of the forums that were provided and over time a significant amount of the development chatter moved over to the IRC channel. Those of us who weren't in college and had real jobs and such weren't able to spend five hours a day in IRC and were thus eventually left out of the information flow and marginalized.

-Watter

shodge · #14 06-04-2003, 08:16 AM

I agree with Watter. However, I still think scheduled chats would be usefull. This way an interactive discussion may give Jim and Jeff more of an idea of what the users want and us a better understanding of how to make use of the features in the software. I would also agree that these chats would need to be recorded and archived here on the forms so that the information is not lost and need not be re-typed as answers....

Just my 2 cents...
-Stan

jimbobuk · #15 06-04-2003, 04:33 PM

Fair enough.. Arranged chats could have logs saved and put online.. I just think irc is a good place to just chat.. its also very useful for people having trouble who want a quick response on easy possible solutions...

JJarmoc · #16 06-09-2003, 08:41 AM

The forums are good for 'Solution to long-known problem: Step-by-step instructions' types of messages, but IRC is much better for the 'how do I fix this? try (1)... no good.. what about (2)' types of discussions if you get my drift.

I agree that the forums should be kept up to date as a knowledgebase of sorts, but IRC is certainly useful for more realtime discussions.

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