HDHR Quatro 4K (ATSC 3.0) on its way

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by KryptoNyte

What's been your experience with its ability to tune the older ATSC, compared with the older Quatro for example? Any better ability to tune OTA channels?

It tunes OTA Channels fine the only problem is that tuner 0 and Tuner 1 will always tune the ATSC 3.0 ... even if the regular OTA is also transmitting. if there is no ATSC 3.0 signal then tuner 0 and 1 will tune the regular signal.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

It tunes OTA Channels fine the only problem is that tuner 0 and Tuner 1 will always tune the ATSC 3.0 ... even if the regular OTA is also transmitting. if there is no ATSC 3.0 signal then tuner 0 and 1 will tune the regular signal.

So it not and actual quad tuner like they claim

[KeithAbbott]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

It tunes OTA Channels fine the only problem is that tuner 0 and Tuner 1 will always tune the ATSC 3.0 ... even if the regular OTA is also transmitting. if there is no ATSC 3.0 signal then tuner 0 and 1 will tune the regular signal.

From the SiliconDust forum:

On the HDHR5-4K tuners 0 and 1 support both ATSC3 and ATSC1. Tuners 2 and 3 support ATSC1.

When auto-tuner selection is requested...
If the channel is known to be ATSC3 the HDHR5-4K will choose the first available tuner out of tuners 0 and 1.
If the channel is known to be ATSC1 the HDHR5-4K will choose the first available tuner in order 2, 3, 0, 1. This is done to maximize the chance of an ATSC3 tuner being available if a later ATSC3 tune request comes in.

Nick

So maybe there is a way to turn auto-tuner selection off, and have tuners 0 and 1 ignore 4K channels?

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by SHS

So it not and actual quad tuner like they claim

It is not a quad tuner for ATSC 3.0 only Dual regular OTA it s a Quad tuner.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by KeithAbbott

From the SiliconDust forum:

On the HDHR5-4K tuners 0 and 1 support both ATSC3 and ATSC1. Tuners 2 and 3 support ATSC1.

When auto-tuner selection is requested...
If the channel is known to be ATSC3 the HDHR5-4K will choose the first available tuner out of tuners 0 and 1.
If the channel is known to be ATSC1 the HDHR5-4K will choose the first available tuner in order 2, 3, 0, 1. This is done to maximize the chance of an ATSC3 tuner being available if a later ATSC3 tune request comes in.

Nick

So maybe there is a way to turn auto-tuner selection off, and have tuners 0 and 1 ignore 4K channels?

At the moment I disabled it from SageTV Channelsdvr etc ... because in my area all main broadcast channels are ATSC 3.0. I can use tuners 2 and 3 in SageTV if I want but choose not to. I cannot even test the HDHomeRun app with ATSC 3.0 because it picks the lowest name tuner availible.... in other words for now the tuner is crap.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

It is not a quad tuner for ATSC 3.0 only Dual regular OTA it s a Quad tuner.

That not what this is saying

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by SHS

That not what this is saying

bunch of crap false advertising.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

bunch of crap false advertising.

That even on there own site right here so confusing

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by SHS

That even on there own site right here so confusing

Thay say this in the fine Print ... Now with 2 tuner support for ATSC 3.0 where available.

[KryptoNyte]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

It tunes OTA Channels fine the only problem is that tuner 0 and Tuner 1 will always tune the ATSC 3.0 ... even if the regular OTA is also transmitting. if there is no ATSC 3.0 signal then tuner 0 and 1 will tune the regular signal.

Right, so it can work the same as a current Quatro, with 4 available pre-ATSC 3.0 OTA tuners. I guess I was wondering if the reception for pre-ATSC 3.0 tuning is any better than the Quatro. I knew a long time ago that only 2 tuners could handle the ATSC 3.0.

[KeithAbbott]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

At the moment I disabled it from SageTV Channelsdvr etc ... because in my area all main broadcast channels are ATSC 3.0. I can use tuners 2 and 3 in SageTV if I want but choose not to. I cannot even test the HDHomeRun app with ATSC 3.0 because it picks the lowest name tuner availible.... in other words for now the tuner is crap.

Using OpenDCT, can't tuners 0 & 1 be put in tuner pool A, and tuners 2 & 3 be put in tuner pool B? That way, tuner pool B could be utilized in SageTV, while tuner pool A could be used with other software (e.g. HDHomeRun app) that supports ATSC 3.0. Maybe not the ideal solution, but better than using it as a doorstop...

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by KeithAbbott

Using OpenDCT, can't tuners 0 & 1 be put in tuner pool A, and tuners 2 & 3 be put in tuner pool B? That way, tuner pool B could be utilized in SageTV, while tuner pool A could be used with other software (e.g. HDHomeRun app) that supports ATSC 3.0. Maybe not the ideal solution, but better than using it as a doorstop...

That would work but I have enough OTA tuners ... and there is no way right now to force the HDHomeRun APP to use the ATSC 3.0 tuner.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by KeithAbbott

Using OpenDCT, can't tuners 0 & 1 be put in tuner pool A, and tuners 2 & 3 be put in tuner pool B? That way, tuner pool B could be utilized in SageTV, while tuner pool A could be used with other software (e.g. HDHomeRun app) that supports ATSC 3.0. Maybe not the ideal solution, but better than using it as a doorstop...

The Channels DVR developers fixed it so now we can play and record ASTC 3.0 with no problems. Real great picture and sound.

[jvl711]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

The Channels DVR developers fixed it so now we can play and record ASTC 3.0 with no problems. Real great picture and sound.

Does it not work in Sage. I am getting that impression from a few comments, but I was not sure.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by jvl711

Does it not work in Sage. I am getting that impression from a few comments, but I was not sure.

Nope Does not work.

[jvl711]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

Nope Does not work.

Hmm. Do you know where the issue is? Does OpenDCT work with it? What is the container and format? Is it .ts container with H.265?

I am interested in looking into this at some point. I am in Philadelphia area, so I do not have live ATSC 3.0 signals yet.

Josh

[JustFred]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

Nope Does not work.

Can you provide some specifics about what doesn't work?

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by JustFred

Can you provide some specifics about what doesn't work?

OPENDCT cannot even record from it... no video audio no signal... I was able to import a previously recorded file get Video on the SageTVMini Client but no audio. I think the FFMPEG in OPENDCT has to be updated.

General
ID                                       : 1 (0x1)
Complete name                            : C:\Test\The Wendy Williams Show S13E24 Barbara Corcoran 2020-10-22-1308.mpg
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 202 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 5 607 kb/s
FileExtension_Invalid                    : ts m2t m2s m4t m4s tmf ts tp trp ty

Video
ID                                       : 49 (0x31)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L4.1@Main
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 0)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
ID                                       : 50 (0x32)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Format                                   : AC-4
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 4
Commercial name                          : Dolby AC-4
Format version                           : Version 2
Codec ID                                 : 6
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS (1601.6 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 2 s 102 ms
Language                                 : English
I-Frame interval                         : 7/8 frames
Number of presentations                  : 1
Number of substreams                     : 1
Presentation #1                          : 5.1 Main
 Dialogue normalization                  : -24.00
 Loudness                                : Yes
  Integrated loudness (speech gated)     : -27.2 LKFS (Automated individual front channels)
  Integrated loudness (level gated)      : -23.0 LKFS
  Audio Loudness Standard                : ATSC A/85
  Realtime loudness corrected            : Yes
  Dialogue corrected                     : Yes (Automated individual front channels)
 Dynamic Range Control                   : Yes
 Downmix                                 : Yes
  LoRo center mix gain                   : -3.0 dB
  LoRo surround mix gain                 : -3.0 dB
  LtRt center mix gain                   : -3.0 dB
  LtRt surround mix gain                 : -3.0 dB
  LFE mix gain                           : -3 dB
  Preferred downmix                      : Pro Logic II
 Group #s                                : 1
Group #1                                 : Main
 Content classifier                      : Main
 Channel coded                           : Yes
 Number of substreams                    : 1
 Substream #s                            : 1
Substream #1                             : 5.1
 Channel mode                            : 5.1
 Channel layout                          : L R C LFE Ls Rs
 Preprocessing                           : Yes
  Phase 90 filter info                   : Not applied
  Surround attenuation known             : No
  LFE attenuation known                  : Yes
 Dialogue enhancement                    : Yes
  Enabled                                : Yes
  Max gain                               : 9 dB
  Channel configuration                  : L R

Menu
ID                                       : 48 (0x30)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
List                                     : 49 (0x31) (HEVC) / 50 (0x32) (AC-4, English) / 58 (0x3A) ()
Language                                 :  / English

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

OPENDCT cannot even record from it... no video audio no signal... I was able to import a previously recorded file get Video on the SageTVMini Client but no audio. I think the FFMPEG in OPENDCT has to be updated.

General
ID                                       : 1 (0x1)
Complete name                            : C:\Test\The Wendy Williams Show S13E24 Barbara Corcoran 2020-10-22-1308.mpg
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 202 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 5 607 kb/s
FileExtension_Invalid                    : ts m2t m2s m4t m4s tmf ts tp trp ty

Video
ID                                       : 49 (0x31)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L4.1@Main
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 0)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
ID                                       : 50 (0x32)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Format                                   : AC-4
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 4
Commercial name                          : Dolby AC-4
Format version                           : Version 2
Codec ID                                 : 6
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS (1601.6 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 2 s 102 ms
Language                                 : English
I-Frame interval                         : 7/8 frames
Number of presentations                  : 1
Number of substreams                     : 1
Presentation #1                          : 5.1 Main
 Dialogue normalization                  : -24.00
 Loudness                                : Yes
  Integrated loudness (speech gated)     : -27.2 LKFS (Automated individual front channels)
  Integrated loudness (level gated)      : -23.0 LKFS
  Audio Loudness Standard                : ATSC A/85
  Realtime loudness corrected            : Yes
  Dialogue corrected                     : Yes (Automated individual front channels)
 Dynamic Range Control                   : Yes
 Downmix                                 : Yes
  LoRo center mix gain                   : -3.0 dB
  LoRo surround mix gain                 : -3.0 dB
  LtRt center mix gain                   : -3.0 dB
  LtRt surround mix gain                 : -3.0 dB
  LFE mix gain                           : -3 dB
  Preferred downmix                      : Pro Logic II
 Group #s                                : 1
Group #1                                 : Main
 Content classifier                      : Main
 Channel coded                           : Yes
 Number of substreams                    : 1
 Substream #s                            : 1
Substream #1                             : 5.1
 Channel mode                            : 5.1
 Channel layout                          : L R C LFE Ls Rs
 Preprocessing                           : Yes
  Phase 90 filter info                   : Not applied
  Surround attenuation known             : No
  LFE attenuation known                  : Yes
 Dialogue enhancement                    : Yes
  Enabled                                : Yes
  Max gain                               : 9 dB
  Channel configuration                  : L R

Menu
ID                                       : 48 (0x30)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
List                                     : 49 (0x31) (HEVC) / 50 (0x32) (AC-4, English) / 58 (0x3A) ()
Language                                 :  / English

I'm sorry to anyone hoping this will happen, but it's unlikely. The last time I updated, the differences between the older version and the newer one were so pronounced I had to redo a lot of code. The end result was that under some circumstances, the code was crashing the JVM and I didn't have enough time to work out why. Unfortunately, most of the coding examples for FFmpeg are for the major version 2 builds (not 3 which is the latest), so I had to figure out what to do the hard way. The version being worked on for SageTV by jvl711 might be a good alternative (it takes a different approach), but I haven't spent more than a few minutes looking at it.

[jvl711]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

OPENDCT cannot even record from it... no video audio no signal... I was able to import a previously recorded file get Video on the SageTVMini Client but no audio. I think the FFMPEG in OPENDCT has to be updated.

General
ID                                       : 1 (0x1)
Complete name                            : C:\Test\The Wendy Williams Show S13E24 Barbara Corcoran 2020-10-22-1308.mpg
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 202 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 5 607 kb/s
FileExtension_Invalid                    : ts m2t m2s m4t m4s tmf ts tp trp ty

Video
ID                                       : 49 (0x31)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L4.1@Main
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 0)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
ID                                       : 50 (0x32)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Format                                   : AC-4
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 4
Commercial name                          : Dolby AC-4
Format version                           : Version 2
Codec ID                                 : 6
Duration                                 : 5 min 0 s
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS (1601.6 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 2 s 102 ms
Language                                 : English
I-Frame interval                         : 7/8 frames
Number of presentations                  : 1
Number of substreams                     : 1
Presentation #1                          : 5.1 Main
 Dialogue normalization                  : -24.00
 Loudness                                : Yes
  Integrated loudness (speech gated)     : -27.2 LKFS (Automated individual front channels)
  Integrated loudness (level gated)      : -23.0 LKFS
  Audio Loudness Standard                : ATSC A/85
  Realtime loudness corrected            : Yes
  Dialogue corrected                     : Yes (Automated individual front channels)
 Dynamic Range Control                   : Yes
 Downmix                                 : Yes
  LoRo center mix gain                   : -3.0 dB
  LoRo surround mix gain                 : -3.0 dB
  LtRt center mix gain                   : -3.0 dB
  LtRt surround mix gain                 : -3.0 dB
  LFE mix gain                           : -3 dB
  Preferred downmix                      : Pro Logic II
 Group #s                                : 1
Group #1                                 : Main
 Content classifier                      : Main
 Channel coded                           : Yes
 Number of substreams                    : 1
 Substream #s                            : 1
Substream #1                             : 5.1
 Channel mode                            : 5.1
 Channel layout                          : L R C LFE Ls Rs
 Preprocessing                           : Yes
  Phase 90 filter info                   : Not applied
  Surround attenuation known             : No
  LFE attenuation known                  : Yes
 Dialogue enhancement                    : Yes
  Enabled                                : Yes
  Max gain                               : 9 dB
  Channel configuration                  : L R

Menu
ID                                       : 48 (0x30)
Menu ID                                  : 3 (0x3)
Duration                                 : 5 min 2 s
List                                     : 49 (0x31) (HEVC) / 50 (0x32) (AC-4, English) / 58 (0x3A) ()
Language                                 :  / English

Interesting. So is AC-4 the audio standard for ATSC3.0? From some quick googling it does not seem that FFMpeg supports it, and mediaonfo more recently added support to recognize it.

Hopefully support will be coming soon. If it does we can find some way to get into sage. Might not be ideal at first...