Sony announces cloud based DVR and live TV

[Taddeusz]

I guess we'll see.

[pjpjpjpj]

Again, isn't bandwidth an issue? The Feds forced the "digital switchover" on America because they needed to free more bandwidth. Now we're going to adopt a new standard that's going to clog up even more of the airwaves? And no, I'm not talking specifically about OTA TV, but all the various data traveling through the air... if a "main function" (TV/video) suddenly requires way more bandwidth, everything has to get squished into already-tight spaces, right?

As I mentioned before, people are also going to want (well, okay, they already do) to stream everything. People just want, want, want. If the technology is there, they want it everywhere. There are not that many phones and tablets that can stream 1080, how expensive/prohibitive will it be to stream 4K? Because you know people will WANT. And the four major wireless networks are still working on blanketing the US with 4G LTE, are they suddenly going to throw that out and move to something else? Is there bandwidth available for something more robust?

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

Again, isn't bandwidth an issue? The Feds forced the "digital switchover" on America because they needed to free more bandwidth. Now we're going to adopt a new standard that's going to clog up even more of the airwaves? And no, I'm not talking specifically about OTA TV, but all the various data traveling through the air... if a "main function" (TV/video) suddenly requires way more bandwidth, everything has to get squished into already-tight spaces, right?

Netflix is talking 15Mbps for UHD with H.265 HEVC. Remember OTA is MPEG-2 which is two "generations" old.

And the four major wireless networks are still working on blanketing the US with 4G LTE, are they suddenly going to throw that out and move to something else? Is there bandwidth available for something more robust?

Verizon already completed their nationwide LTE rollout and is starting to expand that with their AWS spectrum. Though that said I think it will be a while before you see anything beyond 1080p streaming to mobile devices, just because there's no need on screens that small.

[pjpjpjpj]

Originally Posted by stanger89

...that said I think it will be a while before you see anything beyond 1080p streaming to mobile devices, just because there's no need on screens that small.

And there's no need for 80" UHD in your kitchen either, but, as I said, people WANT. That's my point... if 4K is out there, the race to get it on a phone will be a huge battle and the first to do it will make a big deal out of it, even if it looks absolutely no different than 1080.

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

And there's no need for 80" UHD in your kitchen either, but, as I said, people WANT. That's my point...

if 4K is out there, the race to get it on a phone will be a huge battle and the first to do it will make a big deal out of it, even if it looks absolutely no different than 1080.

i agree with you totally, 4K will bump the data usage quite a bit I would think. And that may be the limiting factor with phones. I know wifi kind of bypasses that, but thats not always available.

[pjpjpjpj]

Originally Posted by Skybolt

I know wifi kind of bypasses that, but thats not always available.

And how well is the local Starbucks wifi going to work when 10 people are trying to stream the latest 4K TV episode from netflix at the same time?

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj

And how well is the local Starbucks wifi going to work when 10 people are trying to stream the latest 4K TV episode from netflix at the same time?

Yep, but as Stanger89 has stated, it's comming whether were ready or not, if it stays is another story, but it looks like it will.

I want to see how the cell co. react to this with data plans and such. Right now I have umlimited (slow- non video) data with T-Mo but HS data is limited and you have to pay alot more for that. One UHD movie on BD is ~100GB, what is that compressed 20GB? 1/4 of the way through that movie and my HS Data plan will stop, and bill me another $10 for the next 5GB. That's not working for me.

That being said, I do think 4K will be real nice at some point. Once all of the hype settles down and solid specs are adopted. Desktop monitors will be awesome in 4K, projectors etc. That may make me switch to a projector at some point. - Then I could put the 80 in the bedroom

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Skybolt

Yep, but as Stanger89 has stated, it's comming whether were ready or not, if it stays is another story, but it looks like it will.

There are parallels to 3D I agree, the industry pushed that too. But I think there are as many, or more differences with 4K vs 3D than similarities.

The big ones are, firstly, there seems to be a much more united industry push. 3D had the TV makers but Blu-ray kind of sorta happend on the side and streaming was basically nowhere to be found. With 4K everybody, even the budget/second tier manufacturers have 4K displays this year, all the big streaming players are on board, the movie industry seems excited. Ironically BDA seems behind but there are signs those could be here this year too:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/4k-blu-...scs-will-exist

But maybe the bigger thing is with 3D there was a definite force "against" it. 3D required special effort, you have to wear glasses (or quality suffers with autostereo technologies), and it made people sick, etc. 4K/UHD is a lot more like 1080p and 720p, beyond choosing your display device everything else just sort of happens. People aren't going to get sick with 4K, and it doesn't require any special hardware or setup. The viewing experience is just like 1080p only better.

I want to see how the cell co. react to this with data plans and such. Right now I have umlimited (slow- non video) data with T-Mo but HS data is limited and you have to pay alot more for that. One UHD movie on BD is ~100GB, what is that compressed 20GB? 1/4 of the way through that movie and my HS Data plan will stop, and bill me another $10 for the next 5GB. That's not working for me.

I kind of think the whole cellular thing is overblown, I mean netflix only just started streaming 1080p with Android 4.3. And yeah, 4K handhelds will probably happen but I don't expect it to be terribly soon, especially outside of the larger tablets, which will be mostly WiFi use. I doubt there will be much in the way of 4K phones anytime soon.

As far as bandwidth goes, netflix is showing off 15-16Mbps 4K:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/eyes-on...get-it-on-disc

That's about 7GB/hr.

That being said, I do think 4K will be real nice at some point. Once all of the hype settles down and solid specs are adopted. Desktop monitors will be awesome in 4K, projectors etc. That may make me switch to a projector at some point. - Then I could put the 80 in the bedroom

I'm very much looking forward to it in my HT, though it will be a couple years it sounds like before TI has consumer 4K DMDs available in any sort of quantity. Although the VW600 sounds pretty tasty.

[NetworkGuy]

Originally Posted by stanger89

That's about 7GB/hr.

If a family streams 3 hours of TV a day and there are 30 days in a month, that equals 630GB a month.

That is over EVERY cable company's bandwidth cap.

[wayner]

Up here in Canada it used to be really bad with low bandwidth caps. But if you are willing to pay extra you can often get unlimited internet for $10 in a bundle - that is the case for both DSL with Bell Canada and cable internet with Rogers. There are also independent ISPs offering services over those guys' wires that have unlimited packages.

My package with my cable company (Rogers Cable) recently went from 150Mbps/10Mbps with 250 GB/month to 250/20 1TB/month for $125.99. That's expensive but it is awesome speeds and cap. (The service crashes every day or two since the modems that they give you are crap but that is another issue).