HD PVR Model 2 1512

[Tiki]

Originally Posted by Evil_Attorney

For me, I have no problems with my first-gen HDPVRs (1212) using SPDIF to capture surround sound.

The HD-PVR 2 (1512) apparently has problems with the HD300 (and probably the HD200), since some live channels will not play sound, but if imported into an import directory like a movie, they will play sound.

Since these "no audio" recordings seem to play fine in other software (VLC, WMP, etc.), I can only assume that this is a bug or incompatibility with Sage. I suspect that Sage is telling the HDPVR2 to record with certain attributes and the HD300 is expecting a file with those attributes, but the HDPVR2 is not recording with those attributes. Thus, when "rescanned" by Sage, they work fine.

What version of firmware do you have for the HD300?

I do not have an HD300 myself, but have seen some posts recently indicating that both the final "release" version and the final "beta" version of the firmware had issues with playing back certain types of audio content, but the second to last "beta" firmware was the most reliable.

[Evil_Attorney]

Originally Posted by Tiki

What version of firmware do you have for the HD300?

I do not have an HD300 myself, but have seen some posts recently indicating that both the final "release" version and the final "beta" version of the firmware had issues with playing back certain types of audio content, but the second to last "beta" firmware was the most reliable.

I have tried with the last non-beta firmware, the last beta firmware, and beta firmware 20110124 (FYI, this version works with all HD blu-ray soundtracks, has the higher resolution UI, and doesn't drop any frames when in native resolution mode). None of them work.

I enabled logging on one of my HD300s and attempted to play some live recordings on both problems channels and good channels, each with the HDPVR2. This HD300 is connected via HDMI directly to my TV with stereo speakers (no 5.1 system). Anyone familiar with these logs that might be able to spot the problem? BTW, this HD300 had the latest beta firmware during the test.

[Evil_Attorney]

Ok, I'm not sure if I messed up the log file or not. I recorded with both the first-gen HDPVR 1212 and the 1512 and the log's time code doesn't seem accurate. In any event, I found entries like this where audio is clearly being detected:

Mar  7 01:26:02 m: openURL0 push:f=MPEG2-TS;dur=166;br=2948000;[bf=vid;f=H.264;index=0;main=yes;tag=1011;fps=29.97003;fpsn=30000;fpsd=1001;ar=1.777778;arn=16;ard=9;w=1920;h=1080;lace=1;][bf=aud;f=AC3;br=448000;index=1;main=yes;tag=1100;sr=48000;ch=6;]

And entries like this where audio does not seem to be detected:

Mar  7 01:39:46 m: openURL0 push:f=MPEG2-TS;br=2500000;videoonly=1;[bf=vid;f=H.264;index=0;main=yes;tag=1011;fps=59.94006;fpsn=60000;fpsd=1001;ar=1.777778;arn=16;ard=9;w=1280;h=720;]

After some of the "no audio" segments, I'm also getting the following:

Mar  7 01:39:47 m: d006 v011 a000 stc 330 a 0 v 1309 (0)
Mar  7 01:39:47 m: audio pts is smaller than stc, entering paused mode
Mar  7 01:39:48 m: d006 v019 a000 stc 332 a 0 v 1309 (0)
Mar  7 01:39:48 m: leaving paused mode
Mar  7 01:39:48 m: d006 v027 a000 stc 866 a 0 v 1309 (0)
Mar  7 01:39:48 m: audio pts is smaller than stc, entering paused mode

On the latest beta firmware for the HD300, the "no audio" channels would start/stop with no audio (earlier firmware versions just skipped the audio).

At this point, my best guess is that on some channels, there is a positive delay on the audio and therefore the 1512 driver doesn't immediately write the audio offset. The HD300 must be looking for this info immediately, isn't seeing it, and therefore thinks the video file has no audio.

[KryptoNyte]

Originally Posted by wayner

Any advantages to buying the V2 units other than HDMI? The V1 units are going for about $100 on eBay these days so it may be a good time to stock up and hope that you don't get a flaky unit.

Already all stocked up here. I would recommend finding a "buy it now" price for between 60 and 90 dollars for a like new 1212. Best Buy frequently also has them in-store, and on sale for $170 or less (as they are right now).

Each time I purchased another used unit from Ebay, I would simply swap just the unit itself with one of my own and use it for a while to be sure it's okay.

This is a good example;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hauppauge-hd...item460d5dc1a6

[wayner]

Originally Posted by KryptoNyte

Each time I purchased another used unit from Ebay, I would simply swap just the unit itself with one of my own and use it for a while to be sure it's okay.

Did you have any probelms with the units that you bought? I have never had any significant problems but so many people have. But I am wondering if it is due to other hardware like Mobo, USB ports, etc, bad power supplies (both of my HD-PVRs had the power supplies die). And I have had my HD-PVRs in three different servers although I generally stick to Asus mobos.

[KryptoNyte]

I only use (1) HDPVR 1212 at this time, so I have purchased (2) of them on Ebay at this point. Both of them have worked perfectly. Some other purchases I've made on Ebay have been quite terrible, and I've ended up eating it as it was just too much trouble to make it right. On the HDPVR 1212's, I'd recommend finding a gamer - they barely even use them compared to a SageTV user.

Honestly, if you despise Ebay and can afford it, just grab them at your local Best Buy when they go on sale, one at a time perhaps.

I am really hoping to see the success of the HDPVR2 1512 and SageTV at some point. Wasn't there some HDMI passthrough unit for sale at Monoprice that would allow for HDMI recording when some other issue would normally prevent it?

[KryptoNyte]

Originally Posted by KryptoNyte

... Wasn't there some HDMI passthrough unit for sale at Monoprice that would allow for HDMI recording when some other issue would normally prevent it?

Here's that thread ...

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58515

[wayner]

I don't have an aversion to eBay, I just wonder that if the HD-PVR is as flaky as some people make it out to be then eBay would be a good dumping ground if you had a bad HD-PVR.

But my theory is that the HD-PVR is ok in most hardware configurations.

[KryptoNyte]

I'm not personally convinced the original HDPVR 1212 was ever actually flakey (well, mine anyways). The power supplies, perhaps.

It seems like it may be the only solution (analog) that allows for SageTV to continue under virtually any circumstance.

[Evil_Attorney]

Just an update, it looks like Hauppauge support has given up on helping me. I told them everything I could, but they have been unresponsive for a while now. I am still hopeful that they will eventually fix this problem, but it might be months before it happens. I will probably hold on to my 1512s for another 6 months or so to see if there is progress, then sell them.

In the meantime, I ordered two more 1212s. One of my current 1212s is getting prominent wavy lines like the pictures in this thread and my other 1212 is barely starting to show signs of the same problem. I believe I ruled out any interference/grounding issues, so I think these two are going bad (bought them at the same time).

From what I remember, when the 1212 was first released, it was flaky. I think this was due to early driver problems and issues with Sage. Over time, both Sage and Hauppauge improved things to achieve a fairly stable product. Over the years, my 1212s have very rarely had any lockup issues, especially after replacing the power supplies.

[wayner]

I think the other initial problem with the HD-PVR was overheating and they added a fan to later versions although it's effectiveness could be argued. I actually have taken the cover off of one of mine and it seems to work better that way.

I have two 1212s (plus one spare) and other than the PS I haven't had any major problems although recently I am seeing "hiccups" where there will be a 7 second (or so) blip in the recording. This blip doesn't appear to be in the origingal source.

[SHS]

Evil_Attorney try out the Beta Updates in HD PVR 2 driver version 1.3.31062?.
This Fix for AC3 over HDMI not taking effect if you don't have a passthrough monitor.
Stability update for resolution change.

[Evil_Attorney]

Yes, I did try it. Didn't help my HD300 sound problem.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Evil_Attorney

Yes, I did try it. Didn't help my HD300 sound problem.

Not that problem the other problem you talk about and used a PC Client I know you pref the SageTV Media Extender.

[Evil_Attorney]

Oh, I had already figured out the problem with not getting AC3 in the last driver. I think the main problem was that settings in the Arcsoft software for the 1512 drivers didn't take effect until you performed a reboot. The last non-beta works fine for that, at least for me. But I've seen postings of others who are apparently having audio problems with their HDMI on the latest drivers too.

[SHS]

Ok

[KeithAbbott]

Great price, for anyone willing to take a gamble...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5&sku=H56-1512

[SHS]

Well after min hour's of mess with SageTV and new HD-PVR 2 Model 1512
SageTV can only see and only be set to
Component + SPDIF
Composite
S/Video
HDMI

For some reason there no
Component, it don't show up nor dose HDMI + SPDIF

[Evil_Attorney]

Originally Posted by SHS

Well after min hour's of mess with SageTV and new HD-PVR 2 Model 1512
SageTV can only see and only be set to
Component + SPDIF
Composite
S/Video
HDMI

For some reason there no
Component, it don't show up nor dose HDMI + SPDIF

Yes, that's what I have seen too. This weekend I tried a few more things, including setting my Directv boxes to output in just stereo. Didn't help my HD300 issue.

[KeithAbbott]

I'm trying to troubleshoot a couple of issues with my HD-PVR 2 (1512). My first issue to solve is that after I reboot the server, no video capture device is found. I get the following message:

"No video capture devices were found. Please install a video capture device to use with SageTV".

So if I stop the SageTV service, and start the Arcsoft Showbiz application, click on the Capture tab, and watch the televised show for a few seconds, then shutdown Showbiz and restart the SageTV service, Sage now finds the HD-PVR 2 and is able to use it.

Any suggestions on what I should do to get the SageTV service to find the HD-PVR 2 without having to startup Showbiz?