"Sage" at CES?

[flavius]

For those who are on cable the Q/Echo from Ceton comes to mind.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by flavius

For those who are on cable the Q/Echo from Ceton comes to mind.

When were those released?

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

When were those released?

[flavius]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

When were those released?

Lol.

[davefred99]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

When were those released?

Not soon enough and please announce the price so people quit getting raped on the price of HDxxx's that are going to be obsolete.

[Fuzzy]

I'm not sure I'd go with the ceton solution anyways, it's cablecard only, and it is still stuck to media center, which I'm not sure is going to survive much longer, with or without ceton. MS is starting to give into the IPTV idea:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/microsoft-xbo...-50125743.html

[RonBoyd]

Originally Posted by flavius

For those who are on cable...

I am an OTA kinda guy.

[davefred99]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I'm not sure I'd go with the ceton solution anyways, it's cablecard only, and it is still stuck to media center, which I'm not sure is going to survive much longer, with or without ceton. MS is starting to give into the IPTV idea:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/microsoft-xbo...-50125743.html

Fuzzy,
just curious but don,t you think Ceton being MS based will move to IP if it becomes necessary as well. I am most interested in the Ceton extenders and not so much the Ceton Q server. The cost to build a MS MCE server is not going to be much if any different and I think the PC based server will possibly be more flexible or future proof.
Truth is there is no such thing as future proof technology any more IMHO and I just look at things from a 3~5 yr timeframe and hope for the best.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I'm not sure I'd go with the ceton solution anyways, it's cablecard only, and it is still stuck to media center, which I'm not sure is going to survive much longer

It's going to be around longer than Sage. If Windows Media Center goes away, we're basically screwed.

That said, MS is putting Windows Media Center in Windows 8, so between Win 7 and Win 8, Media Center should be "safe" for another decade easy.

Let's just say my patience is running out on any word from Sage. I got an HD300 basically to be able to watch my BD rips with losses audio, and my HD300 is flaky to a degree I've never experienced with Sage. The little flakyness with having to stop playback before starting the next file or you get no sound, or occasionally having to "reboot" it to get audio were no big deal when Sage was under development because I had faith that they would sort out those issues. But now there's no chance (IMO) that those issues will ever get fixed. So now I'm looking for a solution that will actually give me reliable HBR bitstreaming.

Sure I could get another media player, but then I've given up on the one thing that really made Sage special, robust media support on extenders... And now that I'm on "cable" (FTTH), and getting a CableCard installed Wed in my HDHR Prime, there's really nothing compelling DVR wise that's keeping me with Sage. I think I'm actually rather likely to jump on the Q/Echo bandwagon now. It will be a bittersweet day, that day, but it will be quite nice to be back with a product that has support. And Ceton seems to be a lot like SageTV was from what I've seen on AVS...

[reggie14]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I'm not sure I'd go with the ceton solution anyways, it's cablecard only, and it is still stuck to media center, which I'm not sure is going to survive much longer, with or without ceton. MS is starting to give into the IPTV idea:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/microsoft-xbo...-50125743.html

It's just cablecard-only if you go with the Q. You can still (presumably) use any WMC-compatible tuner with the Echo connected to the WMC server.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by stanger89

It's going to be around longer than Sage. If Windows Media Center goes away, we're basically screwed.

I'm not sure of that. I'm not sure that MCE is extendable enough to be made future proof without primary developer interest, while Sage is so open, it could be kept alive pretty much forever. Even if 4K tv came to fruition - if there was an unrestricted path to get it to disk, sage's scheduler would still work with it via network encoder plugins. Guide data can be sourced from pretty much anywhere into sage with EPG plugins. MCE does have some configurability on the UI side, but I'm not sure about it's capabilities to be extended at this basic core level.

[wbarber69]

for me the loss of sagetv has been a headache but at the same time it forced me to go ahead and jump in and get a reliably stable sage setup installed. I intend to make as few modifications to this system and it should stay that way for a couple more years. I'm more than happy to look into using anything else that could come close to what sage provided. I feel that this one is dead, but I hope and dream of a day where sage could have the development resources that google could provide. I'm not stupid, I do see how much better sagetv has been. It still beats anything out there and its completely dead. I will continue to develop my system and I will continue to provide whatever support I can to anyone else trying to do the same. Hopefully Sagetv will come back bigger and better than ever. Just dont count on it.

[flavius]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

I'm not sure I'd go with the ceton solution anyways, it's cablecard only, and it is still stuck to media center, which I'm not sure is going to survive much longer, with or without ceton. MS is starting to give into the IPTV idea:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/microsoft-xbo...-50125743.html

Yep. Soon, we are going to see Jerry Seinfeld in TV Commercials exuding gibberish while watching TV on his xbox.

Media center is in Windows 8. That will give us (cable card people) a number of years, not sure it will be 10 years but nothing is forever anyways.

[korben_dallas]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

while Sage is so open, it could be kept alive pretty much forever

Have you checked the dev forums lately?

I'm not saying it's right.. but Sage has both a dwindling audience and shrinking dev core. And there are alot of little things breaking.

There has to be someone interested to do the theoretical you propose.

[Fuzzy]

Understood - the same could be said for any 3rd party development, MCE included. I'm not saying sage is a thriving community, but I don't see any reason to move to MCE, when MS has never really given it much thought beyond the bare minimum (the fact that they STILL haven't released software clients, even though they are fully functional, is beyond me).

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

...I don't see any reason to move to MCE...

Well within a couple months you'll be able to buy WMC extenders that will actually get firmware/software updates. That's one reason.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Well within a couple months you'll be able to buy WMC extenders that will actually get firmware/software updates. That's one reason.

Yeah, i guess that's an appeal for some. Personally, I have never liked extenders, and have since gone back to full clients everywhere except my kids play room.

[fidget]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Let's just say my patience is running out on any word from Sage. I got an HD300 basically to be able to watch my BD rips with losses audio, and my HD300 is flaky to a degree I've never experienced with Sage. The little flakyness with having to stop playback before starting the next file or you get no sound, or occasionally having to "reboot" it to get audio were no big deal when Sage was under development because I had faith that they would sort out those issues. But now there's no chance (IMO) that those issues will ever get fixed. So now I'm looking for a solution that will actually give me reliable HBR bitstreaming.

Sure I could get another media player, but then I've given up on the one thing that really made Sage special, robust media support on extenders... And now that I'm on "cable" (FTTH), and getting a CableCard installed Wed in my HDHR Prime, there's really nothing compelling DVR wise that's keeping me with Sage. I think I'm actually rather likely to jump on the Q/Echo bandwagon now. It will be a bittersweet day, that day, but it will be quite nice to be back with a product that has support. And Ceton seems to be a lot like SageTV was from what I've seen on AVS...

I have been having nothing but problems with my HD-300s. Two of the three that I bought can't connect to my wired network anymore and I really don't feel like trying to attempt getting them connected via wireless.

This is why I was concerned about Google buying Sage. Google pulls their new acquisitions offline and destroys any goodwill that they previous company had built up. They really need to leave the acquired company in "full support" mode so that they don't start back sliding.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Yeah, i guess that's an appeal for some. Personally, I have never liked extenders, and have since gone back to full clients everywhere except my kids play room.

I only liked PCs for playback until I got my first HD100. After that there was no going back, and I have no desire to go back PCs and their associated playback glitches.

[darcilicious]

Playback glitches? I guess I've been "lucky" because I don't get those myself...