WinDVD 6 is out, with Digital Natural Motion

[stanger89]

Just thought I'd throw out a heads up that the WinDVD 6 is out. Of note in this release, is the inclusion of Trimension Digital Natural Motion.
http://www.trimension.com/index.php?page=products.html

DNM basically an advance frame rate converter and is currently found on some Philips sets:
http://www.consumer.philips.com/glob...Id=62PL9774_37

I haven't yet spent much time with it so I haven't come to any conclusions, but by the specs, it looks promising.

[kny3twalker]

sweet TV
above


and the WinDVD 6 thing is pretty sweet but even DVD did not look high enough relsoution when using it
I think it would be nice with HDTV though
and again it is a in the WinDVD player only thing

[stanger89]

Actually I found the registry key to turn DNM on in the Intevideo filters so it should work in Sage.

[kny3twalker]

what key I looked through both the keys for 5 and 6 and they were the same ones
I did not see anything new

I looked at the video decoder and audio decoder in radlight and they were the same as well

[stanger89]

That's the biggest thing I hate about WinDVD, none of the settings are available through the filters, you have to figure out where they are in the registry.

For example, to enable DNM you go to:
HKCU\Software\Intervideo\Common\VideoDec\SageTV
and create a new DWORD UseDNM=1

There are a bunch of others there too.

Try this:
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/regmon.shtml

run it while you load SageTV (or anything else that loads the filter) and you'll see every key that the filter looks at.

You'll probably want add this to the Include: line
;HKCU\SOFTWARE\INTERVIDEO\COMMON\VIDEODEC

and maybe this to the Exclude line
;HKLM\SYSTEM\CURRENTCONTROLSET;Regmon.exe;winlogon.exe;explorer.exe

[stanger89]

Just for anyone who is interested here are my first thoughts on WinDVD 6, or more importantly DNM:

First thing I noticed is CPU Usage with DNM on. Wow, I mean Wow! DNM takes some serous horsepower, it rivals ffdshow. Will not play smooth with VMR9 on my P4 2.4B Radeon 9500. Switching to overlay helps, but I had to OC to 3.0 to get say 98% smooth playback. Hopefully someone can verify these findings.

Another thing, I think someone mentioned it above but the colors are a bit off in WinDVD, notably (to me) the brightness is quite high, however it appears to be just fine in other apps (perhaps I colors default to Vivid or something in WinDVD.

For TV (ie video/30ftp content) nothing special, looks good no combing. I was hoping for more with DNM but obviously NTSC (30fps) converts to 1080i (60fps) pretty easily and with a clearer/more awake mind todat that's no surprise.

For DVD, that's a different story. DVDs look way, different with DNM. Kind of hard to explain, in a way, it looks like its stuck in fast forward. It's got a more HD look, not so much resolution or color, but smoothness of playback. It's just hard to explain but when it's working it looks really nice. But even at 3GHz it doesn't seem like I have quite enough horsepower to pull it off flawlessly.

I'm going to have to watch a few movies with it before I know if I keep it, but for now it looks good.

[kny3twalker]

yeah winDVD looks bad with VMR9 in my opinion but overlay it looks nice
the DNM is defintely a plus for the DVDs I did it with
I use default in the color settings in WinDVD
I probably set it self up for CRT, your HDTV is CRT, right?

and thanks for the program it looks like just what I was looking for

[stanger89]

Yeah, I'd use it with VMR9 if I could, but I don't seem to have the power to do it.

And I just looked at the color panel and the controls are way out of whack, brightness and contrast are way above neutral. I never changed them BTW, that's just how it installed.

Yeah my TV is a CRT, but the default settings are way to bright, the decoders by themselves in sage look great though.

Can you play DVDs smoothly with DNM? What resolution/refresh rate are you running. Also what's your CPU usage. I'm curous because you have the same processor I do. You're not running dual-channel ram are you?

[kny3twalker]

yeah I think intervideo codecs are fine with overlay but with vMR9 they look washed out and the images tend to blur more than most
1024x768 90 refreshrate
yeah the playback is pretty smooth when using the winDVD player 6 which uses overlay of course
I think I get a little skips in the playback during long panning but that is probably from the CPU spikes during the panning
the CPU was about 50 to 60 steady
and yes I have Dual channel Ram

I could probably turn down my resolution and be fine or stop messing other programs like chatting on msmessenger while testing

not sure whether or not it was a real issue need more testing but playback is nice


Rambus was the first to do it
but it was way expensive when I added more to the original I had bought
2-256 sticks for 165
and now all four slots are full with just 768

[stanger89]

So what motherboard are you using, sounds like an i850 board with Rambus. Could be part of my problem, I'm only running single-DDR on an i845 board. I'm thinking the limited memory bandwidth is killing me. Over on AVS someone reported that a 1.33GHz Athlon was doing DNM at about the same CPU usage as me.

[kny3twalker]

Intel D850EMV2
no overclocking board

[kny3twalker]

I still cannot get it to do DNM in sage
Also what other keys are available
do you have a list
I even restarted my computer
also I still cannot get winDVD to do analog 5.1 outside of the player do you know a fix?
maybe a registry key

I have tried everything

[kny3twalker]

OK I think am beginning to understand this all a little clear but there is one fact that I will bring up in just a moment that surprises me somewhat

first you gave me the wrong name for the key it is USEDNM and set it to 1

but anyways

So I guess you add the filters you want to use in Sage in the registry of the decoder
thats cool did not know that one
just use the same ones available in the keys
so I guess I see the list
VMR9 after 3 seconds of video becomes a slide show, but processor still do not ever hit 100% CPU usage

Overlay was much more skippy in sage than in the WinDVD application
although both I did experience skipping with long horizonital panning of objects and the screen

thing I found most strange was that it run at a much higher CPU usage when doing it in SageTV
lowest would be 50 but it usually was about 75

In WinDVD application it have peaked at 75 but it was usually around 50 maybe 60

It almost just seems like another thing that is just barely ahead of its time
you probably need a fast 3.0 GHz processor and 9800/x800 or 5950/6800 graphics card to get good playback
it reminds of VMR9
I think it still needs some tweaking as well if most people are to use it


Also everytime I do VMR9 with it
it messes up sage bad
I am going to have put redo my STV folder
tested it and yeah it causes bad problems with my STVs
causing buttons not to work lock ups etc....

Also when doing a TV show it seems to be able to do this much better
VMR9 playback would go for a few seonds then stop for a second then go for a few seconds then stop on and on
overlay seemed perfectly usable but apparently not for for DVDs though strange probably the same reason they it takes more CPU usage to do it in sage than in WinDVD 6

hope you are not having the troubles I have had with VMR9 and this stanger89

[stanger89]

On my system it's UseDNM in HKCU\Software\Intervideo\Common\SageTV see 311 in the attached file, which by the way contains every Intervideo key the video decoders look for when loading.

[stanger89]

These are the audio keys. I got them from zoomplayer so where you see zplayer just replace it with SageTV

The key you are looking for is
AUDIOCHAN
1 = 2 Ch
3 = 4 Ch
4 = 5.1 Ch
5 = 6.1 Ch
6 = 7.1 Ch
7 = SPDIF

You'll need a new DWORD in HKCU\...\AUDIODEC\SageTV.

That's the biggest problem I have with WinDVD, other apps don't make you jump through hoops to use their decoders. Both Sonic and nVDVD either have Control pannel apps for the important settings, or adjustements made in the app apply to the filters too.

As for my luck, I haven't had any negative side effects of WinDVD 6, only that my HTPC doesn't quite seem up to the task. I really think it's a memory bandwith problem. I only get about 75% usage even not overclocked. And even though I OC the CPU, I've only got DDR 333 ram, so that has to stay the same whether I OC or not.

[kny3twalker]

hey it could be that I am using an STV but I did it twice and the VMR9 with DNM caused problems
never tried it with the original skin so I am not sure

[stanger89]

Small update (or big depending on your POV).

By using Overlay renderer, and disabling 3D Accelleration and Overlay Color Keying performance is noticably improved.

One other thing to note, I said above that DNM does nothing for video, which is true, however that does not mean it can't do anything for Sage recordings. I created a new recording quality with Inverse Telecine enabled (30fps -> 24fps) and DNM kicks in on Sage recordings too.

mmc/python2_encoding/Best\ IVTC=videobitrate\=6666666|width\=720|height\=480|audiobitrate\=384|inversetelecine\=1

seeker/recording_qualities/Best\ IVTC\ -\ 3GB\ per\ hr=Best IVTC,384,48000,6666666

[stanger89]

FWIW kny, I checked the WinDVD System requirements and they list a P4 2.8 as recommended.

[kny3twalker]

damn


sweet recording quality though

I can play Far Cry but no DNM LOL

[stanger89]

Looks like the next version of my HTPC will be a Socket 939 Athlon 64, with dual-channel memory and a Geforce FX 5900 or maybe an NV41.