SageTV acquired by Google

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Or exist anymore... and call it new...

Does everyone realize that Microsoft opened an 'app store' 3 years before apple did? The problem was people were still buying software in B&M stores back then, and no one knew WHY they should just download them.

were the Microsoft apps $1?

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Does everyone realize that Microsoft opened an 'app store' 3 years before apple did? The problem was people were still buying software in B&M stores back then, and no one knew WHY they should just download them.

I think we had this discussion before I think MS's problem is that they never really created an "App Store"... I've never even heard of it (which isn't surprising), nor have any of MS buddies. MS "may" have had some sort of application area where you could buy stuff, but I doubt it even remotely resembled Apple's version. Not to mention that I'm sure when you bought something from the MS store, you just got a download link that you then had to install, reboot, etc. I think that in W8 we'll see what a windows App Store should really look like, and hopefully it will do away with the multitude of questions during install, and the forced reboots. Hopefully MS will manage the updates of the applications and do away with the 100s of micro services running just to tell you that you have an update for Java, Adobe, Steam, EA, "Insert your Title Here".

I think the failure of MS in their "app store" had to less to do with box stores and more to do with the fact that MS had no real interest in that area... until Apple showed them that they could make lots of money from it. The question will be whether or not MS will learn that it's not about just having a store, but they also have to ensure that it's front and center in the OS, making it easy to buy/install software with a single click and no reboots. (That'll be huge challenge for MS)

[sleonard]

Not fair comparing the iPhone to full blown Windows. Installing SW on Mac OSX often puts the user thru the same issues as Windows does and installing apps on Windows phone is just as easy as the iPhone with no reboots. Same, same.

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[Fuzzy]

Well, this discussion came up before when apple announced they were going to introduce a 'revolutionary product', an app store for MacOS. The marketplace windows had never had much in the way of consumer products, because, like I had mentioned, the publishers were still doing sole distribution via B&M stores, and didn't see the need to do electronic sales. They were never really able to convince the major software houses to start using it, so they never even started advertising it (other than the link that was in every windows XP's start menu by default).

The only reason apples initial app store concept even took off was that they made it the ONLY way to install software to the device. Obviously, MS couldn't/shouldn't do that.

As for having to reboot constantly when installing applications. There are no reasons to reboot for normal application installs. It is only if they are adding/updating in-use API's or drivers that they need a restart. that's not saying there weren't a LOT of install setups poorly configured that were set to require a restart... that's hardly MS's fault though.

At least updating an API or driver in windows doesn't require recompiling the kernel.. :-)

[heffneil]

Man last time I mention Steve Jobs in a post!

All I was saying is that sage in its current state isn't a profit center for anyone. They have given the upgrade from 6 to 7 away for everyone basically. Why not throw out a ton of client licenses so we could potentially use the product with our own hardware?

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by heffneil

Man last time I mention Steve Jobs in a post!

All I was saying is that sage in its current state isn't a profit center for anyone. They have given the upgrade from 6 to 7 away for everyone basically. Why not throw out a ton of client licenses so we could potentially use the product with our own hardware?

Because nobody is going to be able to convince google to give away sage clients for free.

I do agree that they should allow for some sort of way to get a client/placeshifter lisence, but I just don't see it happening.

[stevech]

Google could ease the worries of management by offering licenses as-is, no support.

[lolachampcar]

Is there a thread that brings all us non-forum types up to speed on where things are (or are not) with Sage and Google? I try to put as little energy into my TV as possible and am being forced to deal with things like missing programming guide info and freezing playback (the second being a fixture with my Sage installation).

I did see the seven upgrade patch to use your 6 license. I was one of the lucky ones who bought 7.

[Fuzzy]

If you know that Sage has been bought by google, the store is closed, and that you can upgrade for free from v5 or v6 to v7.1.9, then you know everything we know. EPG server will be available at least through the end of 2012. No other information has become available. There is anecdotal evidence that google emplyees are still working on SageTV (Narflex saying as much), but that pretty much sums up the situation.

[wayner]

I would add one thing - EPG data will continue until at least the end of 2012.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by wayner

I would add one thing - EPG data will continue until at least the end of 2012.

I did say that...

[wayner]

Sorry I missed that.

[graywolf]

Originally Posted by wayner

I would add one thing - EPG data will continue until at least the end of 2012.

And that is EPG data provided by Sage.
Can always use Slugger's (or other methods) EPG plugin to get EPG data which is independent upon whether Sage continues EPG support or not.

[korben_dallas]

You won't need EPG data after 21 December 2012 anyways..

[SHS]

Doomsday Scare, End of Times, Apocalypse Prophecy

[jhughesjr]

I expected not to hear anything for several months after the announcement many moons ago but I would have expected to hear something by now or around about now - has there been some announcement that I just missed? Anyone else hear anything yet - any hints/clues/rumors out there?

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by jhughesjr

I expected not to hear anything for several months after the announcement many moons ago but I would have expected to hear something by now or around about now - has there been some announcement that I just missed? Anyone else hear anything yet - any hints/clues/rumors out there?

Short answer: no

Long answer: nobody will be told anything until google wants us to know, jeff has hinted at the fact that sage is still being developed. That could mean the current product is being worked on, or something totally different is being worked on. Not that anything being worked on may ever see the light of day.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by korben_dallas

You won't need EPG data after 21 December 2012 anyways..

http://www.december212012.com/CDC.htm

[rwc]

I know there's been discussion about this before, but hopefully we can make on thread that contains all the answers:

1. What happens to the forums at the end of the year? Are they going to be dead, or will google let it stick around?

2. Now that "google fiber" has been announced, can we sage users piggy back on the google fiber epg? If not, which "epg alternative" is considered the most popular/strongest supported?

3. When extenders die, do we just throw them out? Is there some sort of schematic or place we can send the extenders to so they can get "fixed"?

4. Can I run a strand of fiber from NJ all the way to Kansas City to get google fiber at my home?

[panteragstk]

1. Nobody knows

2. nobody knows

3. nobody knows

4. maybe...

Sorry for not being helpful