SageTV acquired by Google

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by hufnagel

if I can get a reliable guide feed into it after the current EPG fails, then I'll be using Sage indefinitely as I always planned. otherwise who knows.

I'm in the process of setting it up now. Might as well be an early adaptor in our new no support world. I have never really relied on sage support for answers. Read the forums, and troubleshooting 101 to solve problems.

[SWKerr]

Originally Posted by SteveD

How many are going to continue to operate sage beyond the EPG 1 year deadline with alternative EPG.

It would depend on what my options are at the time.

Luckily I am mostly HTPCs so my options are better than the heavy extender users. That said it all works really well today and as long as we have plugin development and a way to import EPG data from someplace I would probably not change without a better option than what I own today.

[matterofrecord]

Originally Posted by polen

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

These are all stages of grief. Now I think everyone has made it to step five, Acceptence.

This is where I am with sagetv at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA

Please help me. Which stage am I at?

[hufnagel]

Originally Posted by SteveD

I'm in the process of setting it up now. Might as well be an early adaptor in our new no support world. I have never really relied on sage support for answers. Read the forums, and troubleshooting 101 to solve problems.

well, if you could setup a how-to when you're done or PM me with the info I'd appreciate it.

[davenlr]

+2. Would be nice to have available for the day it stops.

[pez]

I previously said the best we could hope for was an IP STB with DVR functionality. However, after reviewing what Google did with Android once it acquired it I think we can expect that to be the model here. E.G. think BIG.

I suspect they will provide a ChromeOS+SageTV+GoogleTV+AndroidLike-Market all-in-one software package that is distributed like Android. I think every cable co and probably satellite co will have to think long and hard on keeping their own development ongoing. They will port this new product to their HW and have a 10x better frontend and backend.

I hope out of all this, we get enough of the system to be open source so we can compile it for linux on HW we have. I would expect the none open source SW to be supplied in binary form.

With that said, Google bought Andriod in 2005. The G1 came out in Q3 2008, IIRC. So it may be a long wait.

[ThePaladinTech]

Anyone given any thought to the google future BEING the software the cable companies use? in other words no consumer product, but it's on your cable co dvr? a replacement for comcasts upcoming xcalibur? I for one hope not!

[gmijackso]

Sage's current EPG is Zap2It, why wouldn't Zap2It be willing to continue providing guides to Sage users for a small fee? I have a coworker that used to use them for their Myth box for something like $15/yr. I personally expect this option to become a reality once some hard dates come around.

[Bagal]

Originally Posted by SteveD

How many are going to continue to operate sage beyond the EPG 1 year deadline with alternative EPG.

I'm in the UK so I already use an XMLTV feed in to Sage, which means I can continue to use my current setup indefinitely, my biggest problem is expandability as I was planning on buying a couple more client licenses and a few more extenders, I'd held off because I just didn't need them right now (and I figured by the time I did the HD400 would be released...).

I think for now I'll play a waiting game and investigate the various options available, I'm not that invested in Sage having only been using it since last September, prior to that I was a long term MediaPortal user (+ForTheRecord) which I was very happy with, I switched to Sage because of the true server/client architecture with extenders and PC clients and of course the improved v7 UI.

[wado1971]

Originally Posted by pez

.......With that said, Google bought Andriod in 2005. The G1 came out in Q3 2008, IIRC. So it may be a long wait.

Correct but they already have a big running start for GTV based on the smartphone stuff. And with the logitech and sony releases already out we're essentially at the G1 level 6 months ago. I give it another year at the least - can't wait to see what takes place.

Originally Posted by gmijackso

Sage's current EPG is Zap2It, why wouldn't Zap2It be willing to continue providing guides to Sage users for a small fee? I have a coworker that used to use them for their Myth box for something like $15/yr. I personally expect this option to become a reality once some hard dates come around.

I'd pay $15/yr.

[Fuzzy]

You can already get zap2it listings for free with MC2XML.

[moamoa]

Maybe, when google finally bring out a good product in this area, based on the best parts of sagetv and using the might of google to offer extended content

Then, maybe, we'll all get it first as an upgrade from out current sage systems. Maybe even a firmware upgrade for our existing extenders, that make then GTV extenders

It's an optimistic view granted (not like me normally), but would all seem possible. It would be a great outcome though.

[Gunserotti]

There seem to be a lot of people that want to acquire Sage HD extenders and associated software. I wonder if the mods could create a Buy/Sell forum. I for one want to sell my HD300, Server licence, and place shifter license. If I'm not mistaken, currently on this forum posts of the buy/sell nature are on allowed? Thoughts?

[Bagal]

Originally Posted by Gunserotti

There seem to be a lot of people that want to acquire Sage HD extendors and associated software. I wonder if the mods could create a Buy/Sell forum. I for one want to sell my HD300, Server licence, and place shifter license. If I'm not mistaken currently on this forum post of the buy/sell nature are on allowed? Thoughts?

The problem is the EULA says that licenses aren't transferable...

[moothekow]

Originally Posted by Bagal

The problem is the EULA says that licenses aren't transferable...

License can say you owe SageTV your first born child too - doesn't necessarily mean it would hold in court.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...d-software.ars

[Bagal]

Originally Posted by moothekow

License can say you owe SageTV your first born child too - doesn't necessarily mean it would hold in court.

I understand that, but the question was 'I wonder if the mods could create a Buy/Sell forum', which they won't do due to the EULA.

[hufnagel]

Originally Posted by pez

I previously said the best we could hope for was an IP STB with DVR functionality. However, after reviewing what Google did with Android once it acquired it I think we can expect that to be the model here. E.G. think BIG.

I suspect they will provide a ChromeOS+SageTV+GoogleTV+AndroidLike-Market all-in-one software package that is distributed like Android. I think every cable co and probably satellite co will have to think long and hard on keeping their own development ongoing. They will port this new product to their HW and have a 10x better frontend and backend.

I hope out of all this, we get enough of the system to be open source so we can compile it for linux on HW we have. I would expect the none open source SW to be supplied in binary form.

With that said, Google bought Andriod in 2005. The G1 came out in Q3 2008, IIRC. So it may be a long wait.

The problem is I don't want to Think BIG. To me SageTV is like a very finely focused and specialized tool. It does its job in such a perfect way and is nearly as close to appliance-like as any software could get. And with the 3rd party people out there to help extend it and customize it in specific ways what more could you actually want?

[jm9843]

Originally Posted by pez

I suspect they will provide a ChromeOS+SageTV+GoogleTV+AndroidLike-Market all-in-one software package that is distributed like Android. I think every cable co and probably satellite co will have to think long and hard on keeping their own development ongoing. They will port this new product to their HW and have a 10x better frontend and backend.

Bingo. This is why Google TV will succeed and thrive. It's the same model that has worked so well on phones applied to Smart TV's, set-top boxes, receivers, etc. Google said they would be open-sourcing GoogleTV (after the Market becomes available) back when it was announced in May of '10. When that happens CE OEMs, cable/satellite companies, etc. will have to think long and hard about continuing to devote their own time/money/resources developing their own sub-par solution with no supporting ecosystem to speak of. It's a relative no-brainier to adopt the thriving Android platform and bring real value to their customers while incurring far fewer costs than if they go it alone.

[limiter]

Originally Posted by polen

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

These are all stages of grief. Now I think everyone has made it to step five, Acceptence.

I am at step 5 for sure. I painted two yellow stripes on my HD200 box and it made it just as fast as my HD300 box!

[lfilomeno]

I am also sticking around with Sage since the EPG service will be around for a year at least. I am eye balling the Moxi HD PVR and its clients since it is very close to my SageTV setup but that is long term. I remember when I was setting up my SageTV network 3 years ago: The wife was upset with all the kinks found along the way, ugly front end screens and the like. But after the upgrades, new skins, plugins, emails to Geoge for support and stability of the system, they (my wife and kids) have only one thing to say the other day: " Once you got the SageTV going without problems, it is almost impossible to watch TV any other way." SageTV is a great product. Very sad to see it leave the HTPC scene.