Where can I get a Hauppauge Rosyln card and can it embed CC?

[kny3twalker]

oh yeah they are 28xxx cards you can run prodinfo from either the hauppauge cd or ftp://www.hauppauge.com has it there
old -15 are 48xxx serials
new -16 are 32xxx serials
and roslyns are 28xxx serials
you should also be able to tel from the drivers that you use
when installing

[zz5]

Ok, that means mine are all 32's.

If the Hauppauge Rosyln's do actually work with the 15's, I wonder if Hauppauge would let me trade my 16's? I had considered looking into trading them for 15's, but decided not to bother since I thought there could be overheating problems. Is Hauppauge working on drivers to get the 15's and 16's to work together?

[dkardatzke]

Originally posted by Opus4
I don't see them listed there either, but then I just ran across this other post that says:

- Andy

The individual cards will be added shortly. I just have to complete the back-end license key generation.

The reason we are including SageTV Recorder is not to charge more but to give customers who just want the card and a simple application to use with the card a complete solution since the card on its own doesn't ship with any software. This also gives you the Recorder to use in a Network Encoding environment as well.

Dan

[dkardatzke]

Originally posted by justme
The fact that it's common goes to show the growing disconnect between consumers and companies. Things are definitly headed in the wrong direction in this country. Clicking on a button for a EULA can bind you to ridiculous terms that only a lawyer would know about. I'm not saying Frey does anything like that with their license still... I'm going to have to go over this very carefully and see if I can ethically continue this relationship, both forum and software user. However, I'm going to wait til I calm down to decide.

Please direct any questions about our EULA to me at info@freytechnologies.com. As someone else mentioned, it's a right to use the software and does not provide any ownership. This is very common when you purchase software because we still retain ownership of the software even after you purchase a license to use. However, there are always exceptions to the rule and we will do our best to make any accomodations for transfers, gifts, etc.

If you are purchasing a bundle or software for a gift for example, we'll just process the order manually in the new customer's name instead of the purchaser's name. Just e-mail me and we'll determine the best course of action. The EULA is designed to protect our intellectual property, not to make life difficult for the customer if they have a valid request.

Dan

[SHS]

Dan I hate tell but some of this Ture and some of it not Ture bear in mind Dan that full ownership belong to user and reverse enginering is legal in some part of worlds so there for the EULA dosen't apply.
I on other hand never like that dran Computer Software Rental Amendments Act of 1990 this all before the BIG INTERNET boom started.
I agree as you said all Intellectual Property Rights in this case the source code for SageTV product should belong to Frey Technologies or Jeff the author... but what I never really like ownership part of the software, that part should really belong to purchaser after all it no diff then buying a car, home, etc, and min other product.
When it come to software customer really have no right to resell it legal nor even give it away legal ocen the box's has been install.

P.S. I not try to be mean or put you down any way Don and Jeff it just my point of view.

[justme]

Please note these are my personal views alone.

I agree with SHS on this, as you could probably tell from my posts above. I've decided that some things in the world can not be changed be force of will, but that doesn't mean you have to support it. I will continue to use SageTV, under my own ethical rules. Fortunately my persoanl views don't don't conflict with the law, given how I'm currently using SageTV, in such a way as to make using SageTV unethical.

However my purchase decisions are a different manner. I personally will not contribute to a company(whose's certian views I dissagree with) if I can find another moral/legal alternative. IMO this is partially how things(in NA/Europe) got to this point, by many consumers not speaking with their voices and dollars. Thanks to a sharp eyed user, there is now another source of the Roslyn card. Since I already know where to get the driver this solves this issue for me. I will just keep quiet in the future regarding buying a Rosslyn at Frey, unless the user specifically states they also want SageRecorder.

As for the forums... if I'm going to compromise on my veiws about the license, then continuing in them in not a serious conflict either. However I still reserve the right to my personal veiws and my recommendations will reflect them. Sometimes you can do more on the inside than on the outside.

Sorry Frey but I have to follow my own views. This is not to say that Frey is any way a "bad" company. If I felt they were I would totally leave. We just disagree on this issue. It's just strange how as a company grows it veiws towards it's users changes over time. This is why I personally like small business better. And yes, I know Frey is small. However they are growing and I want them to grow correctly.

Note: I would like to thank Frey, for in no way putting behind the scenes pressure on me. I appreciate the fact that they responded in an open manner.

OK now that i'm off my soapbox...

There's still my question of whether the Roslyn cards can imbed CC like the PVR250's can?
And if so how do I turn it on?
Or is it always on for the Roslyn's since they were originally started as Windows MCE cards?

This is very important to me as I and my wife have grown to love the extracted CC I can get from my PVR250. It's display could be impoved but heh what can't. EDIT:I just read a post(BTV forums) by the author of mpg2srt and the small change I requested(fully drawn lines) should be an option in the next release. Now that's what I call fast.

/justme

[SHS]

Far I can tell justme there dosen't seem be any Registry Key point to CC in drivers but that dosen't mean thing.

[cmalinowski]

Originally posted by dkardatzke

The reason we are including SageTV Recorder is not to charge more but to give customers who just want the card and a simple application to use with the card a complete solution since the card on its own doesn't ship with any software. This also gives you the Recorder to use in a Network Encoding environment as well.Dan

And I, for one, appreciate it. I would like to think that if I purchased this card, I could drop it in my network and not have to purchases any more software from sage. I have SageTV, two sage clients, and one sage recorder. At this point, I would buy whatever it would take to keep it going, but knowing that it already comes bundled makes it that much better.

Thanks a bunch,
Chris

[justme]

Valid point, if you need the software. An informed consumer always checks products and compares prices. Far to easy to get nickle and dimed to death in this world.

While it's nice of Frey to include SageRecorder at no extra costs, the fact remians...If you don't need the software and just want to add another tuner, getting it somewhere else is cheaper. When you can get an equivalant product for less, ~ $20 in this case per card. This adds up fast when adding multiple tuners to an existing SageTV system.

[cmalinowski]

Agreed. $20 is $20. To some extent, I'd pay a little extra to help support Sage, but I am also sure that Dan is not upset at people looking for deals elsewhere... otherwise he'd be running walmart.

[insomniac]

Justme -

I share your opinion and views. I would venture to say that they have created this eula as iron clad as possible to protect themselves as much as possible from any "foulplay". Unfortunately, the honest consumer usually always takes the biggest hit.

On the other side, per Dan's statment, hopefully the good guys at Frey will continue to make exception and accomodations to their (IMO) unusually strict rules towards this topic.

I.

[sudipto]

Here is the Roslyn for $80 shipped