change rewind/fastforward behavior?

[ruel]

Thanks so much. That helps a great deal. :-)

[Beelzebub]

Originally posted by mlbdude

This is definitely a feature I would like to see as I am sometimes scanning for something myself, but at the same time I would hate to see the dev cycles be taken away from some with broader appeal.

Have I missed something, this is a PVR application isn't it. Don't you think your main priority would be adding the most basic and one of the most important features of a PVR. I've grown so fraustrated about this I raraly use SageTV, in some ways it was a waste of money. Granted it has twice the features as my Tivo, Dual tuners rule. However it doesn't have the one feature I use the most. I really don't see what the problem is, it should be very easy to add. Almost every Mpeg player except SageTV has a true rr/ff. So what is the next feature with broader appeal, something to turn my lights on and off in the house, remotely start my car, predict the weather for the next six months. I didn't buy this software to play MP3z, DVD's, Look at pictures, or whatever the next bonus feature entails. I'm not saying the're not nice and convient. This software should Do everything all the other PVR's doing before we get all the Bells and wistles. Espicially with how far you've taking this software, to let something so trivial ruin it.

[mlbdude]

Well, sorry it ruins it for you. It will always come down to a "bang for the $$" thing from Frey. How many customers will they gain with it compared to how much dev time it will take. For whatever reason I guess it has not been a real priority with them.

I would suspect that due to the distributed streaming architecture of Sage that it is not as easy as you think. Look how much trouble people have now with network latency and such. I can assure you that if it was easy for them to do they would have done it already.

[Beelzebub]

This shouldn't be hard to do at all

Think about if you set your videoframe/ff_time to 100, then hold down the keystroke for fast forward, it moves about the same speed as the tivo slowest. The problem is we have to hold the key down, and we don't have 2 other speed options. So I'm confused as to why this is so hard to do.

This should take any decent programmer a few hours to do. All of the actual code is done. You just need to program the behavior.

To make this work all you need to do is
1. Make 3 speed varibles 100, 500, 1000
2. When person hit the FF command on there remote it goes to FF1 (stays active until play/pause is hit), Then when the user hits the button again it goes to FF2, then to FF3, then to stop.
3. Add a few pretty graphics.
4. Add a seperate command for Skip aheads.

This would work exactily like the tivo, since this is how they do it.

[stanger89]

Very quick skipping like you describe is known to cause lockups with some decoders (nVDVD 2.55 comes to mind).

[Beelzebub]

The only time I've noticed the lockups is when I tried the Grider script, or when hitting my remote button really fast. It has never locked when I hold the actual keyboard key down. So I suspect this has to do more with the windows messages being sent. I just spent the last few minutes messing with it, I was able skip through almost a hour holding the keyboard down. If I did the same thing with girder it would crash for sure.

[mlbdude]

Plus add in the client server architecture of Sage to include a request to the server for the new stream position, then the server resetting to that position for every position request.

If it was easy it would already be done.

[Beelzebub]

Does it have to be added the Client version, I completely understand that would be a problem. However I still don't see why this is such a problem in the SageTV itself.

[mlbdude]

This is where it is tricky I think. I THINK that SageTV is using the same methods to access everything the same way SageClient is.
I can think of good reasons to do this from a reuse standpoint, however, there could also be drawbacks. But I am just speculating .

[Beelzebub]

Oh well, I'm sure you guys will figure something out eventually. Do you have some time to mess with a tuner problem I'm having. If you do could you pop in the irc channel. Efnet #sagetv

[White94Cobra]

FYI - Tivo does 3x, 30x, and 60x ff/rw. If flies through 1 minute of program in 1 second as the fastest. That averages 3-4 seconds to skip most commercial breaks. And with the auto-correct function if you hit play as soon as you see your program start, you are within 1-3 seconds of the show starting.

Verses skipping 2.5 minutes, then trying a 30 second skip, then another, overshooting and going back 5 seconds at a time to find the beginning of the program.

I am getting used to the skip, but I still think Tivo-style is best

[kny3twalker]

I wish we had it as option even if it was experimental

[jglev]

Originally posted by kny3twalker
I wish we had it as option even if it was experimental

I totally agree. It is very frustrating. The current version of Beyond TV does this. The next version (3.5) is in beta now and has multi-tuner support and a separate client. It will be interesting to see if the client has the true FF/REW that people claim is difficult to do. When 3.5 comes out, it will be very competitive to Sage plus it has the ability to schedule programs over the web.

[Nosferatu]

Well, I just built a PVR and installed SageTV. Thankfully I tried it before I shelled out $80. I also have a TiVo and the lack of a true ff/rw feature in SageTV is a deal breaker for me. I'll have to take a look at some other options now as the blind skip is just too frustrating.

[mlbdude]

Have MCE05 installed. Has smooth FF/REW. Thank god it also has a skip since the normal FF/REW is as slow and inprecise as all the rest. Maybe it would make sense if I watched sports more?